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Spidey
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Re: Post-Valencia'09 MotoGP test
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November 10, 2009, 06:05:45 AM »
Quote from: El Matador on November 10, 2009, 05:55:50 AM
Lorenzo? look at Spies on the privateer! Less than a week on the bike and he's already up there with the 4.
He's still a second off the pace though (and you know that Rossi and Pedrosa still have a lot left in the tank). Still . . . fack.
Earlier this year, it seemed like Espagaro in GP was the weirdest move ever. Turns out, he can really ride.
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Re: Post-Valencia'09 MotoGP test
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November 10, 2009, 06:24:33 AM »
Quote from: El Matador on November 10, 2009, 05:55:50 AM
Lorenzo? look at Spies on the privateer! Less than a week on the bike and he's already up there with the 4.
I saw it--great performance. He gets plenty of love around here though, he doesn't need another superfan
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November 10, 2009, 06:31:48 AM »
and Nicky is in front of Pedrosa...
Testing times don't always represent real speed. In Spies' case maybe it does but who knows.
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November 10, 2009, 06:33:29 AM »
Quote from: EvilSteve on November 10, 2009, 06:31:48 AM
and Nicky is in front of Pedrosa...
Testing times don't always represent real speed. In Spies' case maybe it does but who knows.
honda and ducati are testing their 2010 platforms.
rossi/lorenzo are too, but i haven't seen confirmation of what ben is riding yet.
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Re: Post-Valencia'09 MotoGP test
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November 10, 2009, 06:36:54 AM »
From MotoGP.com:
Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps
1 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Team 1:31.939 - - 62
2 Casey Stoner Ducati Marlboro Team 1:32.195 +0.256 +0.256 44
3 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Team 1:32.528 +0.333 +0.589 55
4 Ben Spies Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:32.942 +0.414 +1.003 61
5 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Team 1:32.981 +0.039 +1.042 84
6 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 1:33.025 +0.044 +1.086 46
7 Randy De Puniet Lcr Honda MotoGP 1:33.111 +0.086 +1.172 76
8 Mika Kallio Pramac Racing 1:33.125 +0.014 +1.186 84
9 Loris Capirossi Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1:33.211 +0.086 +1.272 64
10 Marco Melandri San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:33.326 +0.115 +1.387 85
11 Aleix Espargaro Pramac Racing 1:33.345 +0.019 +1.406 74
12 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Team 1:33.546 +0.201 +1.607 44
13 Hector Barbera Aspar Team 1:34.206 +0.660 +2.267 100
14 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:34.230 +0.024 +2.291 79
15 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1:34.540 +0.310 +2.601 74
16 Hiroshi Aoyama Scot Racing Team 1:35.261 +0.721 +3.322 88
17 Xavier Simeon Gresini Moto 2 Team 1:37.279 +2.018 +5.340 58
18 Joan Olive Promoracing 1:37.881 +0.602 +5.942 86
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November 10, 2009, 08:22:34 AM »
Doesn't look like the new 250 crop got it together yet.
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Quote from: DanTheMan on November 10, 2009, 08:22:34 AM
Doesn't look like the new 250 crop got it together yet.
The problem with the 800cc MotoGP bikes is that if you're coming from 250s you're at a serious disadvantage because the 800s--as opposed to the 1000cc bikes--require a WSBK riding riding style.
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November 10, 2009, 08:59:21 AM »
Inside joke?
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November 10, 2009, 09:04:31 AM »
Making fun of Rossi:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/153018/1/rossi_lorenzo_welcome_great_rival_spies.html
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November 10, 2009, 09:25:39 AM »
Quote from: Spidey on November 10, 2009, 08:55:02 AM
The problem with the 800cc MotoGP bikes is that if you're coming from 250s you're at a serious disadvantage because the 800s--as opposed to the 1000cc bikes--require a WSBK riding riding style.
Huh? you got it ass backwards, the 800's perform more like the 250's. Rossi says so in the link you just posted. If anything Spies should have the disadvantage. And Simoncelli did fairly well on his one-off WSBK ride.
but of course testing doesn't show the true potential
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Re: Post-Valencia'09 MotoGP test
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November 10, 2009, 09:33:02 AM »
Testing times do say something, maybe not the whole story, of course.
I do find it interesting that the preliminary times that Derby posted (
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31738.msg552318#msg552318
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Methinks Rossi couldn't deal with a whole winter of the last test times showing Spies faster....
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Re: Post-Valencia'09 MotoGP test
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November 10, 2009, 09:52:32 AM »
In the end, you can't discount raw talent and Spies has enormous raw talent. You'd have to say, looking at first tests, that Spies might be popping in and out of a few podiums next year. Lorenzo was fast when he came up, and while inconsistant, definately challenged right away.
I worry a bit about the 250 guys being as far down as they are on the charts. I will admit that with the bikes they are on, Simoncelli is the only one I expect to challenge in the top 8 riders next year. Stoner/Rossi/Lorenzo/Pedrosa/Colin/Dovi are pretty much locks for 6 of those spots and Spies I'm sure, plus Melandri on a better bike and Hayden hopefully improving. Its a tight bunch in the top half of the standings imo. The zuke' and duke's will be difficult to bring home and I just don't see Aoyama being as good as his 250 season result indicated. I'll be looking forward to spring testing to see how it all pans out, but if Spies is immediately quick, then I expect him to do well next year.
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November 10, 2009, 11:28:33 AM »
granted, the aliens et al are all testing new stuff so they probably aren't going to be as fast as they were on sunday. so i take it all with a grain of salt.. and yet, 4th is pretty effin' amazing.
i was someone who thought he was going to do exponentially better in wsbk than most predicted. and yet, i was still way off with how well he really did. so.. we'll see.
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November 10, 2009, 11:38:02 AM »
Toseland was quick originally in pre-season.
Not saying Spies will go the same way as JT but it wouldn't be without precedent.
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November 10, 2009, 11:52:03 AM »
Quote from: EvilSteve on November 10, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Toseland was quick originally in pre-season.
Not saying Spies will go the same way as JT but it wouldn't be without precedent.
JT, for whatever reason, got along a LOT better with the michelins.
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