Do I hear a wall being built in the Yamaha garage?

[Speeddog]

Rossi throwing his weight around....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Nov/091109-qa7.htm

[derby]

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25778.msg551029#msg551029
 

[Speeddog]

I was going for the 'cracks in Rossi's armor' angle.... 

[Dannyboy]

A little Vagisil will clear that right up for him.  Seriously, is he that much of a pussy that he can't have a teammate that can actually push him?

[zooom]

A little Vagisil will clear that right up for him.  Seriously, is he that much of a pussy that he can't have a teammate that can actually push him?

as it has been said before by others and am now saying...it isn't a teamate to push him....it is the fact that his teamate has pushed Yamaha to lean towards him being their #1 rider as appoased to Valentino who with Burgess has done a make the beast with two backston of development on that machine to make it what it is now before Jorge even walked into that garage....Jorge has taken full advantage of Rossi's work in applying it, but make no mistake...the M1 is a product of Valentino in many ways....and Rossi has provided more that data and development...he has produced results...

now if you think it is undeserved for Valentino to be Yamaha's #1 rider...I would like to know why you think so....but if you look at any other team where 1 rider is producing and the teamate isn't and the level of cooperation and information sharing...Pedro-Bot when Hayden was his teamate, Colin Edwards and James Toseland this year, Elias and DeAngelis....all of them teamates...but run as different squads, because they are competeing against one another....so of course there is a wall between em....and the team is looking at the results for support.

[GregP]

It's not like Vale is an old man.  I'd guess he could be the "man" for at least another 5 years.  He's Rossi for fvck sake!!!

This is classic Rossi Jedi mind games, no?  Forces Jorge to feel he has to prove he's the number one guy even more, he rides just a little harder and crashes as much or more then he usually does.  Jorge is right there but he always seems to be on the raged edge to me. The other angle is Ducati is all moist now and the contract negotiations become even more silly and Yamaha ponies up to keep Rossi.

Ben is the heir apparent for the vacant factory seat in 2011 and he should be full stride by his second season.  I don't think he's a cream puff mentally and will Push Vale as a team mate as well.

Sadly, the racing has been pretty boring and the off track stuff is more interesting.  Hoping Ben puts the tech 3 scooter on the box and maybe even gets a win or two next season. At least we have that to keep us warm a IZ_ for the next 5 months.

[Dannyboy]

now if you think it is undeserved for Valentino to be Yamaha's #1 rider...I would like to know why you think so....

I had a nice, long reply written but I canned it. 

Rossi is the #1 at Yamaha and he should be.  The M1 is his bike.  As you said, he's done all the development work and won the last 2 championships on it.  I realize that there's no such thing as loyalty but the whining just smacks of insecurity and is very childish.

[derby]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80118

[OT]

What's the buzz on Yorgay's contributions to the M1's continuing development?

[zooom]

What's the buzz on Yorgay's contributions to the M1's continuing development?

WELL....he's tested the crash worthyness of the M1 more than a couple times....

[teddy037.2]

Rossi is the #1 at Yamaha and he should be.  The M1 is his bike. 

the M1 is yamaha's bike. they can hand out tech to whoever they want.

iirc, didn't honda do the same?

[derby]

the M1 is yamaha's bike. they can hand out tech to whoever they want.

iirc, didn't honda do the same?

i don't think that was the point he was trying to make.

rossi/burgess developed both the rc211v and the yzr-m1 into what they are today, just as doohan/burgess developed the nsr500 into the championship winning machine that it turned out to be.

[teddy037.2]

i don't think that was the point he was trying to make.

rossi/burgess developed both the rc211v and the yzr-m1 into what they are today, just as doohan/burgess developed the nsr500 into the championship winning machine that it turned out to be.

but if the sentiment is that it's unfair to let one race crew develop a machine then let other rider take advantage of it, well... isn't that the point of the factory team? the factory ultimately owns the bike, and can do what they want.

 

[EvilSteve]

I would guess that the argument would be that Rossi should retain #1 status and receive any updates before You'reGhey in the event that updates need to be staggered because he's done and continues to do all the development. Wall wise, now that Rossi is being challenged, I'm sure he feels somewhat disinclined to share any setup information with the other side of the pit. Yes, it's up to the team to distribute whatever bits they want but maintaining a #1 status should mean preference where there's some option one way or the other.

[teddy037.2]

that makes sense...

but even if they're given identical tech, I'd think it'd make it more satisfying to lay the stomp on your teammate. just let the points speak for themselves and go home happy... isn't motoGP supposed to be about the rider, not the bike? 

and rossi has always been the uber