Gripe about Monster 696's Ambient Temperature Reading

[Raux]

you know we've gone down this whole old vs new monster blah blah blah
the new monster out handles the old monster when stock
the new monster is 'modular' the old monster is a dent magnet
the new monster is closer to the original concept, the last generation old monster was a monster-mash of different bikes.
the new monster has more power than all the old air-cooled monsters
the new SF takes over the old monster 4-valve position

Monster 695    --->Monster 696    (more power and lighter, better handling)
Monster S2R800--->Monster 696    (more power and lighter takes over two previous gen )
Monster S2R1k--->Monster 1100  (more power and lighter better handling)
                   --->Monster 1100S (more power and lighter AND better suspension better handling)
Monster S4R --->Streetfighter  (more power and lighter better handling)
Monster S4RS--->Streetfighter S (more power and lighter better handling)

looks are subjective, but you can't deny the new bikes are functionally better bikes.

[stopintime]

.................

looks are subjective, but you can't deny the new bikes are functionally better bikes.

I live happily in denial 

For me, at 6'4", the 696/1100 are simply too short for spirited riding. I would have too much forward weight and was forced to maintain an upright position, which didn't work well for me. Same thing with the Street Fighter.
It took some modding to get my S2R to work well for me. I'm not the typical Monster rider size, so I basically agree that the new models are overall better bikes to begin with, maybe with a small exception for the S2R lower rev torque delivery.

Looks and style - no match in my view, but as you said subjective.


What was the topic again?     (sorry)

[mstevens]

at 6'4", the 696/1100 are simply too short for spirited riding.

Of course, that would be true of the 620 and 695, as well, since their seat height and wheelbase are exactly the same as the 696 and 1100. The ergonomics are a bit different so there is a different feel, but it's not because of seat height.

[stopintime]

Of course, that would be true of the 620 and 695, as well, since their seat height and wheelbase are exactly the same as the 696 and 1100. The ergonomics are a bit different so there is a different feel, but it's not because of seat height.

I mentioned short, not low, as in the length from the seat to the bars.

[battlecry]

Sorry to chime in so late in here, but it may be possible to isolate the temp voltage signals to the ECU and to the dash and install a new temp sensor part only for the dash.   

OTOH, you can leave it as is and use the dash temperature to troubleshoot the failure of the temp sensor signal.

[kopfjäger]

the new monster out handles the old monster when stock


 but you can't deny the new bikes are functionally better bikes.

If it was about better handling I would buy another brand.  


that's true....especially that temperature guage.  

[csp808]

 

If it was about better handleing I would buy another brand. 


that's true....especially that temperature guage. 

  zing

[DarkStaR]

you know we've gone down this whole old vs new monster blah blah blah
the new monster out handles the old monster when stock
the new monster is 'modular' the old monster is a dent magnet
the new monster is closer to the original concept, the last generation old monster was a monster-mash of different bikes.
the new monster has more power than all the old air-cooled monsters
the new SF takes over the old monster 4-valve position

Monster 695    --->Monster 696    (more power and lighter, better handling)
Monster S2R800--->Monster 696    (more power and lighter takes over two previous gen )
Monster S2R1k--->Monster 1100  (more power and lighter better handling)
                   --->Monster 1100S (more power and lighter AND better suspension better handling)
Monster S4R --->Streetfighter  (more power and lighter better handling)
Monster S4RS--->Streetfighter S (more power and lighter better handling)

looks are subjective, but you can't deny the new bikes are functionally better bikes.

Of course the newer bikes are going to be better in specific areas. Why would they put out a new bike with less?  

We all know many people try to justify their purchase, so give it a rest already.

FYI: Most 800s dyno with higher HP and TQ than the 696...just throw'n it out there. 

[mstevens]

We all know many people try to justify their purchase, so give it a rest already.

Give it a rest? This is a 696-specific thread in which someone bashed the newer bikes. Raux is entirely justified in responding with his opinion.

[DarkStaR]

Give it a rest? This is a 696-specific thread in which someone bashed the newer bikes. Raux is entirely justified in responding with his opinion.

 

[Raux]

there's no reason to go down this path on this thread
Darkstar, if you can't help with a technical issue, take your opinion about the bike to the bashing thread. i promise not to answer

[DarkStaR]

there's no reason to go down this path on this thread
Darkstar, if you can't help with a technical issue, take your opinion about the bike to the bashing thread. i promise not to answer

I never said any thing bad about the any of the newer model bikes on this thread.  


<Kind of back on topic>

The 696 manual off the ducati web site says temp sensor...not ambient. 

If the temp sensor is reading the intake temp (correctly), I find that way more useful than reading ambient temp.  

I can get ambient temp from many other sources.

</Kind of back on topic>

[Raux]

right, sorry it was kopfjäger. anyway. thanks for being back on topic.

[Bladecutter]

The 696 manual off the ducati web site says temp sensor...not ambient. 

Where in the online manual do you see that written?
I just looked at both the owners manual in my desk (page 22), and it clearly says "Shows the outside air temp".

Then I went to Ducati's website, and pulled up the manuals for both '08 and '09, and on page 22, they both say exactly the same thing as my manual does.

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2008/pdf/M696-08_en.zip
http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2009/pdf/M696-09_en.zip

Please let me know if I'm on the wrong page, or have the wrong manuals.

BC.

[DarkStaR]

Where in the online manual do you see that written?
I just looked at both the owners manual in my desk (page 22), and it clearly says "Shows the outside air temp".

Then I went to Ducati's website, and pulled up the manuals for both '08 and '09, and on page 22, they both say exactly the same thing as my manual does.

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2008/pdf/M696-08_en.zip
http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2009/pdf/M696-09_en.zip

Please let me know if I'm on the wrong page, or have the wrong manuals.

BC.

Correction: "Air Temperature Indicator"
http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/manuals/2008/pdf/M696-08_en.zip

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