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Started by greenmonster, December 27, 2009, 03:02:20 PM

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ducatiz

#15
January 13, 2010, 07:35:18 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 06:41:43 AM
wow! you are far braver than I. Didn't know if you knew you could simply "read" the unit

there is no patent on capacitive discharge ignition units.   ;D
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#16
January 13, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
certainly not. A quick search on the USPTO does come up with some interesting issued patents related to "motorcycles" and "ignition"

ducatiz

#17
January 13, 2010, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
certainly not. A quick search on the USPTO does come up with some interesting issued patents related to "motorcycles" and "ignition"

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#18
January 13, 2010, 09:19:11 AM
The vast number of limitations and specificity of each claim, those specifics being limited to the composition of the handgrip show me a few things, without much more information:

a) its hard to get literal infringement
b) with all the other pre-existing options,
     i) its going to be really hard to get doctrine-of-equivalents infringements
     ii) there is substantial risk of invalidation should they try to enforce this patent
     iii) its usefulness is probably limited to aggressive cease-and-desist letters to folks vending similar grips on the internet. also useful to prevent the importation of chinese clones on eBay.
c) they wasted a ton of money getting this patent prosecuted


Harley has a habit of trying some dumb intellectual property moves. I thought the attempts to trademark the sound made was the dumbest. Here's a writing on the topic, though not necessarily a "good" writing: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/st_org/iptf/articles/content/1998101101.html

ducatiz

#19
January 13, 2010, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 09:19:11 AM
Harley has a habit of trying some dumb intellectual property moves. I thought the attempts to trademark the sound made was the dumbest. Here's a writing on the topic, though not necessarily a "good" writing: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/st_org/iptf/articles/content/1998101101.html

we went over that one in law school..

a few aeons ago..... ;D
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#20
January 13, 2010, 09:38:56 AM
one of the things we covered briefly last semester. i groaned and rolled my eyes, drawing unneeded attention to myself of course. oops.

ducatiz

#21
January 13, 2010, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 09:38:56 AM
one of the things we covered briefly last semester. i groaned and rolled my eyes, drawing unneeded attention to myself of course. oops.

that and your outfit

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#22
January 13, 2010, 10:32:39 AM
thank god i've never done anything like that (or at least let anybody survive with pictures of me). i did the ol' Johnny Cash for halloween this year, and Michael Buffer the year before.

ducatiz

#23
January 13, 2010, 10:35:25 AM
:-)

sorry for the threadjack folks

couple of memphis boys yabbering

I have the TCIP4 and I love it.  The only real complaint I have is the interface.  If you can live with that, then it's ~perfect~.

The other complaint (small) is that the company is far far away.  You are stuck with no state-side support although I've heard they are still good on their word for replacements of dead boxes.

Frankly, if it works, I doubt anything will ever go wrong with it.  I assume it has some kind of VRM in it so voltage shouldn't be an issue and it's all solid state... 
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#24
January 13, 2010, 10:38:18 AM
I've read of heat issues. That's a concern of mine.

That, and I'd like to wire up the TPS sensor with the FCR 41's (if that's possible, I think the FCR's can provide that, and I think the Ignitech can, so I think I'd only need to wire it in...) when I get a set.

This is all well and good, but I also need to get some time on a dyno as well, and I want to make sure I don't get carried away with advance with the dallas heat.

ducatiz

#25
January 13, 2010, 10:51:32 AM Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 11:01:09 AM by ducatiz
the problem is finding a TPS module that can sit on the throttle axis.  i've considered it might be possible to put a potentiometer directly on the throttle grip as well, but it would need to be fabricated.

BRad Black wanted to use a MAP connected directly to the manifold(s) to provide TPS-like feedback but apparently it varies too much to use effectively. 

I don't think heat will be much of a problem, i mounted mine right in the same spot where the original spark module(s) was/were.  plenty of airflow.  hypothetically, the wires could be extended and it mounted elsewhere, like undertail.
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#26
January 13, 2010, 11:01:23 AM
Some Keihin FCR models come with TPS, and that's what I was hoping would be able to be obtained, directly off the carbs, a short run of wire to the Ignitech. In my head it seems quite simple since Sudco lists TPS on the FCR-MX carbs, and on some of the japanese bike's carbs too I believe.

ducatiz

#27
January 13, 2010, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 11:01:23 AM
Some Keihin FCR models come with TPS, and that's what I was hoping would be able to be obtained, directly off the carbs, a short run of wire to the Ignitech. In my head it seems quite simple since Sudco lists TPS on the FCR-MX carbs, and on some of the japanese bike's carbs too I believe.

i had no idea.. can you shoot me a link?
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#28
January 13, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
http://www.sudco.com/keihin.html

Check out the FCR41-MX features.

http://www.dynoman.net/carb/keiFCR.html

Check out the CBR900RR - with TPS and 41mm

And you'll come up with additional applications if you search "Keihin FCR 41 TPS", perhaps Chris K @ CA-Cycleworks has done some questioning of the proper groups, because that would be fantastic. Imagine being able to update your bike's carbs and ignition, have them work together and really transform the bike. (Too bad this isn't current model stuff, or it would be a problem worth solving for those in the industry)

ducatiz

#29
January 13, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on January 13, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
http://www.sudco.com/keihin.html

Check out the FCR41-MX features.

http://www.dynoman.net/carb/keiFCR.html

Check out the CBR900RR - with TPS and 41mm

And you'll come up with additional applications if you search "Keihin FCR 41 TPS", perhaps Chris K @ CA-Cycleworks has done some questioning of the proper groups, because that would be fantastic. Imagine being able to update your bike's carbs and ignition, have them work together and really transform the bike. (Too bad this isn't current model stuff, or it would be a problem worth solving for those in the industry)

so i just called up my bud at Sudco and he gave me some cross refs for their carbs that have a TPS mount.  i might be plunking down some coin now... sheesh
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