Looking for gun nut advice

[cduarte]

because smith has been doing those conversions for a long time, plus they have .gov contracts. Also, i'm not a big fan of fulton, just my opinion.

[ducpainter]

[Total thread jack]

bore sight tools.

anyone have any inexpensive favorites?

I'm not looking for sub moa first shot.

paper would be nice.

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[junior varsity]

can't lie, i hate the laser one i bought that goes in the chamber. believe its for 7.62x39, can't recall. the bullet did not go where it said it was going to go at all.

[ducpainter]

can't lie, i hate the laser one i bought that goes in the chamber. believe its for 7.62x39, can't recall. the bullet did not go where it said it was going to go at all.

I'm looking for something 'universal'.

I've seen magnetic ones and arbor style that fit in the end of the bore.

I shoot 22, and 223, for now and most of the cartridge types don't work in a 22.

[ducatiz]

i picked up a laser model that has multiple fit.  i forget the brand.  it comes with a target that will put you on the paper at 100 yds if you do it right.  if you have a bullet drop scope, make sure its set up right too. 

i don't think you'll find any for 22 though.  just not enough chamber space to insert a laser.

the muzzle end types are so so.  i have one that's an old school optical model and it is a pain in the ass to use.  you have to have a bench mount with clamps to hold hte rifle and the muzzle bit is held in by friction and magnet.  pain in the ass.

[ducpainter]

i picked up a laser model that has multiple fit.  i forget the brand.  it comes with a target that will put you on the paper at 100 yds if you do it right.  if you have a bullet drop scope, make sure its set up right too. 

nothing that fancy...

I was kinda looking for brand recommendations.

If you read the reviews on the different on line sites the info seems to be so widely spread that either the equipment is sketchy or the users are.

[ducatiz]

because smith has been doing those conversions for a long time, plus they have .gov contracts. Also, i'm not a big fan of fulton, just my opinion.

if i remember correctly, it was Fulton who started the conversions -- Kuleck and McKee were doing them ages ago.  but who knows?

smiths have some great parts tho.

[rgramjet]

Can you pull the bolt on your .22 or .223?  If so try the old skool eyeball method.....  Scope or open sights?

[ducpainter]

Can you pull the bolt on your .22 or .223?  If so try the old skool eyeball method.....  Scope or open sights?

I can remove the bolt on both.

the 223 is fine.

I just replaced the scope on the 22 because the one that was on it would not allow the bolt to be removed be cause the ocular was too big.

I'll give that a try.

[acalles]

Anyone know about Mosin Nagant's?

I was at the local gun shop the other day and they had quite a few M90/30's and M91's.. some of them looked in good condition, some not so much (the M91's looked better condition) and most of the cosmoline was gone. they were in the $100-$150 range.

so anything I should know before going back in to look? There's a ton of stuff on them on the intarwebs but personal experience would be cool.

and yeah, I know the ammo is corrosive..

[cduarte]

hex receivers are more desirable, if you can get one made by remington or westinghouse it's even better. If the receiver date is before 1898 it's not considered a firearm by atf. Other things to look for are a counterbored muzzle, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as it was done to recondition rifles with worn muzzles.

[triangleforge]

DP -- how often are you planning to use the boresight? One of our local shops will boresight a scoped rifle for $4 a pop -- at that rate, it's pretty hard for me to rationalize buying a tool I'd use maybe once every year or two.

OK, let me rephrase that -- I know that it's WAY TO EASY for me to rationalize buying a tool I'll only use every couple of years, so I try to avoid it when I can.

[WarrenJ]

A boresite tool has limited utility as a device for "sighting in" a rifle.  They will usually get you on paper but that is about the limit of their ability in that function.  That being said, they are very useful for two things.

1.  Diagnosing scope problems - A boresighter can be a godsend when a rifle is not shooting, to determine
if the adjusters are tracking correctly, or if the crosshairs are jumping with recoil. 

2.  Confirming the zero on a properly set up rifle.  Once I have a rifle zeroed with a specific load (or loads), I throw in the boresighter and record the settings.  If you feel the need to check the zero without firing a shot or have removed the scope and want to replace it to zero, throw in the boresighter and set the crosshairs to the recorded settings and you are back in business - or close to it.

I have this described in detail in a book I co-authored called "Dead On" available through Paladin Press (Blatant Plug)

[acalles]

hex receivers are more desirable, if you can get one made by remington or westinghouse it's even better. If the receiver date is before 1898 it's not considered a firearm by atf. Other things to look for are a counterbored muzzle, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as it was done to recondition rifles with worn muzzles.

cool, I'll check them out.. I'd like a strong bolt action with decent accuracy and cheap ammo 

If I decide to pick one up, maybe I'll add one of these and some lasers, a flashlight and a 50x scope

[ducatiz]

Anyone know about Mosin Nagant's?

I was at the local gun shop the other day and they had quite a few M90/30's and M91's.. some of them looked in good condition, some not so much (the M91's looked better condition) and most of the cosmoline was gone. they were in the $100-$150 range.

so anything I should know before going back in to look? There's a ton of stuff on them on the intarwebs but personal experience would be cool.

and yeah, I know the ammo is corrosive..

At that price, all the models are rearsenaled Russian models.  They are shooter guns and a lot of fun.  You won't find any American made models (Remingtons) or Finns. 

Buy the best looking one you can find there and love it.  You may nitpick, but unless you really range test and tear them down, you won't see the difference.

The best Mosins are the Finnish models -- The Finns kicked the Russian's asses in the first Winter War and went around and picked up all the infantry Mosins the russians dropped or died with -- put them in the arsenal and fixed them, i.e. put decent barrels on them and trued the receivers.  I have a 1943 Tula Mosin that was a Finn SKYE rearsenal and it is a tack driver with all but the shittiest 762x54 machine gun ammo.

The problem with the ammo is that most of it is MG ammo.  VERY hot and who gives a damn if it's corrosive mentality when they made it.

Corrosive ammo is not a big deal, just clean your barrel for corrosive as described widely on the web.  Warm water + ammonia, then oil and clean as normal.  I've shot plenty of corrosive ammo and have zero problems.  EEZOX is your friend.