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He Man

January 21, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
We all know that a double sided swingarm is stronger and lighter at the same time. so why does ducati use a SSS on their SBKs? Its not like they are going to race them in endurance races. their main goal is WSBK.

DRKWNG

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January 21, 2010, 05:34:59 PM
"Tradition" that was established after the 916/996/998 I would imagine.  The 999 went back to the DSS at the insistence of the Corse race division due to its superior design to only have the customer base raise holy hell.  So the SSS came back for the current generation of SBKs.

Monsterlover

#2
January 21, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
It's cool.

What other reason would you need?

Next you'll probably tell me you hate dry clutch clatter and the color red.

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DRKWNG

#3
January 21, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 21, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
Next you'll probably tell me you hate dry clutch clatter and the color red.

Well...  Starting to become a fan of orange...

Monsterlover

#4
January 21, 2010, 05:46:10 PM
Nothing wrong with liking other colors as well. . .

hows that Dookie treating you ;)
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DRKWNG

#5
January 21, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
That bike is STUPID fun!

1KDS

#6
January 21, 2010, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 21, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
Well...  Starting to become a fan of orange...
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DRKWNG

#7
January 21, 2010, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: 1KDS on January 21, 2010, 06:01:04 PM
You may not blaspheme in this holy ducati house!

Whatever

Popeye the Sailor

#8
January 21, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: He Man on January 21, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
We all know that a double sided swingarm is stronger and lighter at the same time. so why does ducati use a SSS on their SBKs? Its not like they are going to race them in endurance races. their main goal is WSBK.

FYI, the correct engineering solution is almost never the answer.  ;D
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January 22, 2010, 02:46:18 AM
Quote from: He Man on January 21, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
We all know that a double sided swingarm is stronger and lighter at the same time. so why does ducati use a SSS on their SBKs? Its not like they are going to race them in endurance races. their main goal is WSBK.

As a generality that is true, but things are not always equal.  The SSS on the 1098 is both stronger and lighter than the DSS on the 999.  Could they have made an even lighter DSS?  Possibly, we will never know.  Why did they want to go back to a SSS?  Who knows.

Monsterlover

#10
January 22, 2010, 03:01:36 AM
Sure they could have made a lighter one. . .

titanium or magnesium

:D
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duccarlos

#11
January 22, 2010, 03:12:08 AM
Carbon fiber
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WetDuc

#12
January 22, 2010, 03:26:22 AM
Yea,...it just looks totally awesome.  I like the SSS better. 
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fasterblkduc

#13
January 22, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 21, 2010, 05:34:59 PM
"Tradition" that was established after the 916/996/998 I would imagine.  The 999 went back to the DSS at the insistence of the Corse race division due to its superior design to only have the customer base raise holy hell.  So the SSS came back for the current generation of SBKs.

Spot on. Ducati Corse used to complain a lot about the SSSwingarm and all the headaches it caused for setup due to the massive flex issues. True, they look nice but I prefer dual sided. I really like the GP looking one on the 696.
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#14
January 22, 2010, 05:17:21 AM
Quote from: howie on January 22, 2010, 02:46:18 AMWhy did they want to go back to a SSS?  Who knows.
I think that their leaked marketing document spelled out why pretty clearly - customers wanted it. You can call it tradition or market demands but the fact is that Ducati made the decision not for technical reasons.

Personally I don't really think it matters, no one on this board (ok, there may be a couple of exceptions) is capable of pushing the SSS to the point where a DSS would make a difference and sales drive the overall development, racing drives the refinement & tweaking.

This topic has been covered in detail plenty of times. Some people will always like either a SSS or a DSS irrespective of the pros and cons either way. I prefer a SSS because as a rider, it makes it really easy to adjust chain tension (no checking alignment), it's easier to clean the wheel and it just looks awesome.
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