Nemesis S2R 800 - tell me what you think

[stopintime]

I can get a Nemesis for about $ 400 from a raceteam who couldn't quite get it to work on their 1098R bikes (4 injector issues? They will be trying MicroTech this year)

My next mod (before I got the Nemesis offer) might be TPO Parts Beast R intake kit and maybe a lighter flywheel.
DP ECU and open full system already - bike runs fine in all conditions and I think it's an impressive piece of machinery, but it doesn't scare me anymore.

I have access to a skilled Nemesis all-Ducati tuning shop, but I expect to pay through my nose for their time.

What do you think is a realistic labor(hours) estimate - installing and tuning?
Added power - ballpark numbers?

I know you what you're thinking: cams, pistons, heads a.s.o. but I don't wish to spend that kind of money - it's a small 2V and I wouldn't normally do more than PODs and flywheel.

[Speeddog]

You might get a couple more HP from a good dyno-tune session.
There might be an existing map that's close.
I'd say a dyno tune would run you $400 or so, but that's just a guess as you're not exactly around the corner from me. 

I'd check with Nemesis to absolutely confirm that a 1098 ECU is going to fit your 800.

[stopintime]

$400 translates to roughly 4 hours?

I assume there's a map for a small 2V which then would have to be tuned. Will check for maps and fitment. Still not more than a couple hp?

My bike is very smooth through the revs as it is now. If the claimed increase by TPO Parts (6-8hp top end) is anywhere close to realistic - doesn't that mean my bike is mostly suffering from limited breathing? If so, some to be gained by letting in more air and fuel, but no wow-factor until I change the heads, pistons, cams a.s.o. ? (which I won't)

[Speeddog]

I'm very skeptical of a claim of 6-8 HP gain from that kit.

Here's a pretty good 'tuneup' from Brad Black:
http://www.bikeboy.org/s2rmonsterarrow.html
He's done quite a bit more work than just an intake, and gets roughly 6HP more through the powerband.

[stopintime]

I'm skeptical as well, but also tempted. It's a fairly cheap mod, so I might give it a try. You are aware of the fact that the claimed gain is for the R version of the Beast kit? (larger and improved compared to the original Beast)

About Brad's work - some of it is already done, except the degreeing adjustment. I don't know if this is an issue on my bike, but if it is, would my dealer be able to do this and do it with the stock parts?

[Speeddog]

My $400 guess was very rough, the whole procedure depends on so many things....

Yes, I looked at the website for what TPO claimed for the R kit.

Your S2R has the adjustable cam pulleys, so the cams can be degreed without new parts.

[stopintime]

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Your S2R has the adjustable cam pulleys, so the cams can be degreed without new parts.

What's the procedure to establish if they're off - or should I just assume they are?

[Speeddog]

You need to be able to measure valve lift, usually done with a dial indicator.
And you need to measure crank position with a degree wheel.

[stopintime]

You need to be able to measure valve lift, usually done with a dial indicator.
And you need to measure crank position with a degree wheel.

.... which should be simple enough for my dealer to do? How do you rate this in terms of importance?

[Speeddog]

.... which should be simple enough for my dealer to do? How do you rate this in terms of importance?

Your dealer should be able to handle it.

In Brad's article I linked to, he got 2-3 HP *just* from degreeing the cams.
That's probably the cheapest power you'll ever get on that motor.
And the really cool thing is, degreeing will never wear out. 

[teddy037.2]

Your dealer should be able to handle it.

In Brad's article I linked to, he got 2-3 HP *just* from degreeing the cams.
That's probably the cheapest power you'll ever get on that motor.
And the really cool thing is, degreeing will never wear out. 

do changes to the cam degree affect anything like engine longevity, or emissions, etc? 

kind of wondering why they wouldn't be set that way from the start

[Speeddog]

I'd say cam timing would effect emissions.
Whether that would be in a positive or negative way, I don't know.

Engine longevity, I wouldn't expect any significant change (as long as you didn't change it so much that valves started hitting things  ).

I think the main issue for why they're not set to the 'good' numbers is that it takes time to set them accurately, and that costs money on the production line in Italy.

[teddy037.2]

ah, groovy 

I done learned a thing today