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Started by angler, February 26, 2010, 09:46:33 AM

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angler

February 26, 2010, 09:46:33 AM
So, I've wanted one of these for a long time and I'm seriously thinking about making the plunge.  There is a 2004 extended cargo (w/2008 4x4 conversion parts) diesel for sale on Ebay.  NADA (conversion van book) says it is worth $16.5k and he is asking $19.9k.  Extras it has are 4" exhaust, in dash navigation, decent stereo, fox racing shocks and dampers, fox racing 4" lift, American Racing Mojave 17" rims.  It has 105k miles.

Cons (for me anyway): 6.0L powersmoker and it used to be a lease vehicle.  Also has accident damage on its carfax.

Conversion was just performed (w/in 10 months) which is good and bad (all brand new running gear, springs, diffs, xfer case, etc from 2008 parts) but makes me wonder it it is hiding something. 

Questions - How much would you pay above NADA?  Anything?  What are opinions on the 6.0L motor?  I know the 7.2L motor.  I have heard bad things about the 6.0L, but have several friends with them and they have had no problems.

I want to turn it into a camper rig, but will do that in my driveway, with cash, over time.  I think I can beat the $60k + needed to by a used Sportmobile already converted to camper.
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zarn02

#1
February 26, 2010, 09:50:31 AM
I have a good friend who works at a Ford dealership. He has nothing nice to say about the 6.0L. :P
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angler

#2
February 26, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
Trouble is, I really want a diesel so I can have a diesel stove and heater, and it has to be a Ford, just because their one-ton chassis are the best.  So I'm stuck.  The 7.2's out there are getting really old since they dropped those mid-2003.

What kind of trouble, specifically?  I know vaguely about some sort of injector trouble which you think would be sorted in a 105k mile motor.
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zarn02

#3
February 26, 2010, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: angler on February 26, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
What kind of trouble, specifically?  I know vaguely about some sort of injector trouble which you think would be sorted in a 105k mile motor.

I sent him a text and asked for a short list.

"Injectors, EGR (exhaust gas recirculation), and if they sit, the turbo will seize up. Also problems with the high pressure oil system."

A quick Google search tells me that these problems are  either because of mediocre maintenance, or bad design. Depends on who you ask, I guess. As with many things I'd suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Not being a wrench myself, I'm personally inclined to take the word of the people who see these things in their shop day in and day out.

*shrugs*
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GAAN

#4
February 26, 2010, 12:20:41 PM
The majority of ambulances we run use the 6.0

now granted we abuse the shit out of these vehicles

but

they are in the shop a lot

the EGR on these motors is a very common problem with our fleet

as are turbo issues on the spares (the ones that sit)

3 out of the 20 units online have had motors replaced inside 120,000miles

cyrus buelton

#5
February 26, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
MotoGPfan has some big ass Ford Diesel.

I am not sure what year it is, but never heard of any problems with it. Of course he put on some big exhaust, lift, tires, etc.


PM him over at coastalducaticlub.org for more info.

His is a little older (maybe like a 2003 or 2004) so not sure if the powerplant is the same.

worth a shot at speaking with him.
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#6
February 26, 2010, 01:25:09 PM
I'm a huge fan of the 7.3L Powerstroke, I was in the Ford business through it's life in the lineup.  Was there for 2 years of the 6.0L and saw problems from the start.

I have a friend who purchased a used 6.0L and replaced the engine at 108,000 .... just out of warranty.  Another bought one from someone he knew and knew the service history.  He's at 180,000 with no issues.  Unless I could get a full record of maintenance on the engine, I'd probably stay away.

I'm no expert, just thought I'd throw in my 2¢
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#7
February 26, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
Just hold out for the newest, lowest mileage 7.3 you can find, although these are very strong motors and I've seen them in super duty pickups with over 500,000 miles
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angler

#8
February 27, 2010, 04:16:21 AM Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 04:18:58 AM by angler
Yeah the 7.3's are called the million mile motor.  They have been putting that motor, first without a turbo in their trucks and vans since the mid '80s up until mid way through 2003. I can find these already converted to campers with low miles and the 7.3, but they cost $60k plus!  Crazy that people buy these campers to tour the country then never drive them.

The turbo thing may be a deal breaker as it will sit.  It would not be a daily driver.

The challenge, with both the trucks and the vans, is that people buy them for commercial purposes and drive their wheels off.  Try finding a 2003.5 or earlier F-350 or E-350 with less than 150k miles.

I'll keep looking......  
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lethe

#9
February 27, 2010, 04:24:40 AM
On a related topic, how do the new Chevy and Dodge diesels hold up? I'm not looking at the moment but I've been debating getting something bigger at some point.
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ducpainter

#10
February 27, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Quote from: lethe on February 27, 2010, 04:24:40 AM
On a related topic, how do the new Chevy and Dodge diesels hold up? I'm not looking at the moment but I've been debating getting something bigger at some point.
Isn't Dodge still using the Cummins?
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lethe

#11
February 27, 2010, 04:28:42 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Isn't Dodge still using the Cummins?
Yes, but how will the rest of the truck hold up 10-15 years from now. Around here 10 year old ones are looking pretty worn out.
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#12
February 27, 2010, 04:30:14 AM
Quote from: lethe on February 27, 2010, 04:28:42 AM
Yes, but how will the rest of the truck hold up 10-15 years from now. Around here 10 year old ones are looking pretty worn out.
It's a Dodge... :-\
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angler

#13
February 27, 2010, 04:32:53 AM Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 04:41:36 AM by angler
Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Isn't Dodge still using the Cummins?

If I could find a van with the cummins (and not made by Dodge  [evil]) I'd be happy!  That Cummins motor is the shit.  Unfortunately Dodge has terrible problems with fit and finish and I still think Ford's one ton chassis is the best.  However I don't think Dodge ever put the diesel into a van and no commercial entity converts them to 4x4, at least that I know.  Several companies, Quigley and Sportsmobile, convert Fords as a factory option.

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Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2010, 04:30:14 AM
It's a Dodge... :-\

Precisely.  I have a 1994 1500 pick up and the thing is bullet proof mechanically.  About 8 years ago, the paint started going 3D on me and is now missing from probably 75% of the hood and roof.  Also, most of the interior started to let go about the same time.  No thanks.

There is always the GM Duramax, but I know nothing about that motor.  Or Mercedes Benz Sprinters!  Oddly you can find those with 4x4......
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ducpainter

#14
February 27, 2010, 04:46:42 AM
The benz/Dodge rigs are pretty good I've heard.

The peeling issue on your Dodge was common.

Ford and GM painted millions of that era vehicle out of warranty.

Chrysler didn't have to. I won't go into my thoughts as to why.
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