We bought a new car -- and the dealer is a dumbass

[NuTTs]

ok i think i figured this one out.

the dealer has a 3% holdback on the truck. so in essence you didn't cost them money, but they didn't make a profit. BUT they did get a car off the lot, which saves them money on inventory financing.

so don't feel bad for them.

When I bought my Scirocco last January I had a similar story with my VW dealer. He was trying to make money on a car not many people will buy. I basically got a fully optioned car for the price of a entry level 2.0TSI. That's paying 29,000â,¬ for the car instead of 37,000â,¬ MSRP with options. They wanted the car off the lot and they owed VW money as that car didn't move for months.
I'm happy and they are happy too. 

[ducpainter]

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I'm happy and they are happy too.  

That's because you're not an American.

We don't know how.

unless we're pregnant doging about something.

[junior varsity]

y'know, another funny tactic would have been to return the car and say "deal's off - if I can't get both the rebate applied and the financing, then i don't want it."

see if they would take a used car

[Grampa]

That's because you're not an American.

We don't know how.

unless we're pregnant doging about something.

f'n kids in the control tower are going to kill us all....... run for the hills.... a giant wave of killer swineflubees is coming.

[cyrus buelton]

The selling side of the car business is pretty odd and somewhat fascinating.


A lot of times the dealer will sell cars for less than they paid for it because if they sell xx in xx amount of days, the manufacturer gives them a rebate. So they have to figure out how much to cut down the car price verse the potential rebate and the chances of it not paying out and them getting hosed.

Either way, car dealers don't make money on new cars. They make some on used and make the beast with two backsing KILL IT in the service department.

[ducpainter]

The selling side of the car business is pretty odd and somewhat fascinating.


A lot of times the dealer will sell cars for less than they paid for it because if they sell xx in xx amount of days, the manufacturer gives them a rebate. So they have to figure out how much to cut down the car price verse the potential rebate and the chances of it not paying out and them getting hosed.

Either way, car dealers don't make money on new cars. They make some on used and make the beast with two backsing KILL IT in the service department.

You'd be surprised how many dealers don't even wound in the shop.

Not to say their rates aren't high...they just do a shit job of selling the shop.

[Grampa]

The F&I guy makes the dealer money.

The used car manager can make them money...if he/she's not drinking or golfing all the time.

The parts and service depts can make a dealer money if run right... but 4 time out of five (my experiance having worked at  5 different ones) they fail as well.

[ducpainter]

Selling cars is not a profession, it's a job.

sales is a profession.

doesn't matter what it is you're selling.

[Grampa]

Uhh, negative. Law is a profession, medicine is a profession. Selling cars is a job.

there are a few sales lifers out there.... but for the most part.... yup, it's just a rotating job with lil or no skill involved.

[redxblack]

I couldn't do it well, so I can't say it takes no skill.

[ducpainter]

Uhh, negative. Law is a profession, medicine is a profession. Selling cars ( or any other product) is a job. The term profession has been bastardized over the years.

So when you were posting about roof sales in another thread and being all indignant you were just stirring up shit?

Is your primary profession a job?

What is your primary profession?

Roofing sales or law enforcement?

Is what I do a profession or just monkey work?

[Grampa]

I couldn't do it well, so I can't say it takes no skill.

I sucked at it too.  I sucked because I had a hard time lying to people. I've sold other things in my life and was quite good at it....cars.... not so much. Most dealer supplied training consists of teaching the "hold the customer hostage" technique and basic four square slight of hand.

[ducpainter]

I'm waiting

[junior varsity]

i think there is some confusion here between "occupation", "profession", "expert/expertise"

occupation
- the principal activity in your life that you do to earn money; "he's not in my line of business"

profession
- the body of people in a learned occupation; "the news spread rapidly through the medical profession"; "they formed a community of scientists"
- an occupation requiring special education (especially in the liberal arts or sciences)

expertise
- great skill or knowledge in a particular field or hobby; advice, or opinion, of an expert

I think there's a difference in the hierarchy based upon how thoroughly committed a person is to their work.

[derby]

The parts and service depts can make a dealer money if run right... but 4 time out of five (my experiance having worked at  5 different ones) they fail as well.

i think i see a pattern here.