What makes a company "green" in your opinion?

[ducpainter]

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Alternative sources of electricity for the grid are a scam.

I assume you have documentation to support that gross generalization.

The only reason that coal or oil fired plant is still running is that no one has made the investment in enough equipment to support alternative energy.

Power generation is about profit...

if you catch my drift.

[NorDog]

I assume you have documentation to support that gross generalization.

The only reason that coal or oil fired plant is still running is that no one has made the investment in enough equipment to support alternative energy.

Power generation is about profit...

if you catch my drift.

Well, yeah, of course it's about profit.

No one has made the nvestment in enough equipment to support alternative energy?  Not so sure about that.

The problem is with the equipment needed to make alternative energy viable.  That equipment, simply put, would be giant batteries to store the alternatively generated power so that there's no interruption in service when the alternative source quits generating due to the limits of the source; i.e. no wind, no sun.

The grid needs constant power, alternative sources do not, can not, provide that.

Find a battery technology sufficient to store enough electricity to run cities, and the situation changes.  But even then there would be questions of diminishing returns and environmental impact of batteries of such scale (if indeed they are ever technnically possible to begin with, which I doubt).

[GAAN]

Well, yeah, of course it's about profit.

No one has made the nvestment in enough equipment to support alternative energy?  Not so sure about that.

The problem is with the equipment needed to make alternative energy viable.  That equipment, simply put, would be giant batteries to store the alternatively generated power so that there's no interruption in service when the alternative source quits generating due to the limits of the source; i.e. no wind, no sun.

The grid needs constant power, alternative sources do not, can not, provide that.

Find a battery technology sufficient to store enough electricity to run cities, and the situation changes.  But even then there would be questions of diminishing returns and environmental impact of batteries of such scale (if indeed they are ever technnically possible to begin with, which I doubt).

10 years ago I was a millwright at the UMCDF

one of my responsibilities was the Uninterupted Power Supply...battery room

it could run the entire weapons depot for 45 minutes at max capacity

you wouldnt need batteries to run cities, just buildings when you switch from one source to another

and that tech already exists

[GAAN]

...just not economically

[NorDog]

What's UMCDF?

[GAAN]

What's UMCDF?

Umatilla Chemical Agent Disposal Facility

[NorDog]

"you wouldnt need batteries to run cities, just buildings when you switch from one source to another"

I don't know what this means.  Can you explain?  Are you saying that each building needs its own Uniterrupted Power Supply?

[Popeye the Sailor]

Alternative sources of electricity for the grid are a scam.

We can't exactly not change the way we do things, so I'm not sure why we wouldn't at least try alternatives, however more complex/difficult they seem.

[cyrus buelton]

I assume you have documentation to support that gross generalization.

The only reason that coal or oil fired plant is still running is that no one has made the investment in enough equipment to support alternative energy.

Power generation is about profit...

if you catch my drift.

The answer to getting rid of the coal fired and oil plants is very simple:

Nuclear Energy is where it is at.


We put people on the moon.

We can take satellite images from miles and miles above the earth to see the time on your wrist watch.

I think we can figure out a place to store spent fuel rods.


I am a large proponent of Nuclear Energy.

[Pip]

Chlorophyll

[Triple J]

I think we can figure out a place to store spent fuel rods.

We already have...that's the easy part.

The hard part is getting everyone to go along with the decision.

[Popeye the Sailor]

We already have...that's the easy part.

The hard part is getting everyone to go along with the decision.

Colorado?

[cyrus buelton]

We already have...that's the easy part.
The hard part is getting everyone to go along with the decision.

Guessing out west somewhere in a dry desert land buried in some sort of concrete pool?

I won't address your second comment because it will get me in trouble.

[Randimus Maximus]

Colorado?

NIMBY!

[Randimus Maximus]

But seriously, it's a big problem.

I think Yucca Mountain in Nevada was designated as the site.

Nevada kept saying no, and then the decision was made to house it there by others.  Nevada missed out on money IMO by fighting it.

Neighboring states don't want the waste rolling through their cities on railcars due to fears of an accident.