Why are duc exhausts so darn expensive... ugh...

Started by ryandalling, April 22, 2010, 08:22:39 AM

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ryandalling

So... looking for an after market exhaust for the 999... heck... even just a slip on... $1200 minimum for a can... just the can... oye... I wonder how hard it is to core the can on the 999...  [bang]

Sorry... just an inane ramble.... continue on with your day....
Confused rider who doesn't know what he is even riding at the moment. (2012 URAL GearUp, 2012 Ninja 250 Racer, 1969 CB175 Racer)

Veloce-Fino

Get used to it. Most are a total ripoff. Apparently a couple mandrel bends and some welding makes exhaust tubing worth thousands.
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junior varsity

it is when you are making them in tiny volumes. gotta mark up enough to keep the doors open

mikeb

Quote from: a m on April 22, 2010, 09:10:53 AM
it is when you are making them in tiny volumes. gotta mark up enough to keep the doors open

+1

If there were as many 999's on the road as GSXR's parts and accessories would be a lot cheaper.



jim_0068

ya i don't get it either; even the price of the jap exhausts. for the price of a full system i could get custom stainless headers for a turbo car.

it amazes me the price of exhausts. If anything seems worth the price is the boom tubes imo because they are all hand done and custom to an extent.

Veloce-Fino

Quote from: jim_0068 on April 22, 2010, 09:39:10 AM
ya i don't get it either; even the price of the jap exhausts. for the price of a full system i could get custom stainless headers for a turbo car.

it amazes me the price of exhausts. If anything seems worth the price is the boom tubes imo because they are all hand done and custom to an extent.

I guess, but boomtubes are fairly simple to produce. some bends and some welds. Couple hours to make them. Back when I was a car guy I had custom headers bent and paid $400 total. This was on an 00 ls1 camaro. Were talking 6-8 feet of exhaust cut and bent to each of the 8 heads and then a collector on each side. It took 2 days for the shop to make them and it cost me $400!!. How is it that the h-competition and boomtubes are $1000??

The prices are ridiculous.
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junior varsity

i think you are missing the point, for full systems and headers, its not a run-of-the-mill job for a shop.

getting an exhaust bent for a domestic muscle car is something done very commonly. It turns out that on v-8 domestic vehicles, there's 4 exhaust ports on each side - it goes towards the back, etc, this is run of the mill work for exhaust shops. shops have been cranking these out for big block and small block domestic engines for domestic rides. I had this done on my Z28 back in the day too.

compare with duc exhausts: various lengths because of the different cylinder sizes, different exhaust port shapes, including bends to compensate for drain plugs, including different shaped sumps. Then you've got different swingarm mounting and vertical cylinder exhaust routing.

Its just not as trivial or commonly done. You pay more, because its less common. The average exhaust shop guy doesn't know what to look out for as far as clearance issues (and all the places those crop up) on a motorcycle.

TAftonomos

PM'd ya, I get xx9 bikes in all the time, might have something for you in a week or 2.

Veloce-Fino

Quote from: a m on April 22, 2010, 10:33:16 AM
i think you are missing the point, for full systems and headers, its not a run-of-the-mill job for a shop.

getting an exhaust bent for a domestic muscle car is something done very commonly. It turns out that on v-8 domestic vehicles, there's 4 exhaust ports on each side - it goes towards the back, etc, this is run of the mill work for exhaust shops. shops have been cranking these out for big block and small block domestic engines for domestic rides. I had this done on my Z28 back in the day too.

compare with duc exhausts: various lengths because of the different cylinder sizes, different exhaust port shapes, including bends to compensate for drain plugs, including different shaped sumps. Then you've got different swingarm mounting and vertical cylinder exhaust routing.

Its just not as trivial or commonly done. You pay more, because its less common. The average exhaust shop guy doesn't know what to look out for as far as clearance issues (and all the places those crop up) on a motorcycle.

And these details justify a $1000+ price tag? Systems that have no silencers are just bent piping. Ex-box, boom tubes, h-competition. Why are these systems along the same price line as the professional systems with CF silencers (which are expensive to produce) I would expect just a set of slip-on silencers to be around ~800 (too bad they are 1000+) because they are MUCH more difficult to produce than an exhaust with no silencers. Yet some slip-ons are less expensive than systems that are just straight-pipes i.e. ex-box, boomtubes, h-comp.

Bottom line is the prices are ridiculous. BUT HEY! we didn't buy Ducati to save money now did we? So shut up and grin while lighting your wallet on fire and throwing it a the nearest parts retailer.
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junior varsity

The shops that market for racing applications etc have to get their budgets for sponsorships somewhere.

You can always talk to a shop like this: www.carbonpartz.net/

IZ

Looking at about $630 for a set of Leo Vince's. Comparable to the SIL's I bought for the other bike. Titanium would look better but the SS will do.

$1200/can though?!
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WetDuc

Exhaust is expensive.  Boomtubes are really artwork and I like them.  I also like the classic cans, CF, titanium or SS, it doesn't matter.  But the bottom line is that I want it to sound nasty and look great.
Ducs are expensive and living in the USA riding an Italian bike does not make things any easier or cheaper.
But to feed your fire a little bit, I hate the expensive nature of these things!  I give it all the money I can and it still wants more and it's never happy and it just always wants to look sexier and dirtier, I can't even keep the damn thing clean, much less inexpensive. [moto]  It just feels so good in the top of 3rd gear.
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jim_0068

Quote from: a m on April 22, 2010, 10:33:16 AM
i think you are missing the point, for full systems and headers, its not a run-of-the-mill job for a shop.

getting an exhaust bent for a domestic muscle car is something done very commonly. It turns out that on v-8 domestic vehicles, there's 4 exhaust ports on each side - it goes towards the back, etc, this is run of the mill work for exhaust shops. shops have been cranking these out for big block and small block domestic engines for domestic rides. I had this done on my Z28 back in the day too.

compare with duc exhausts: various lengths because of the different cylinder sizes, different exhaust port shapes, including bends to compensate for drain plugs, including different shaped sumps. Then you've got different swingarm mounting and vertical cylinder exhaust routing.

Its just not as trivial or commonly done. You pay more, because its less common. The average exhaust shop guy doesn't know what to look out for as far as clearance issues (and all the places those crop up) on a motorcycle.

i am talking specifically about very labor intensive high quality stainless steel turbo headers for a v8 application, something like this you'd leave the car at the shop and they would make everything and test fit the turbo for you and you're looking at around $1500. CUSTOM. So how ducati exhausts that are semi-mass produced similar pricing is beyond me.

Veloce-Fino

agreed. The prices are absolutely inflated. Almost as bad as Apple inc. <- evil company.

But like I said. We didn't buy ducs to be cost effective.  :)
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Popeye the Sailor

This just in:

Ducati's and their aftermarket modifications are expensive.

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