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[fastwin]

Always wondered about that print ad... does HK charge extra for their guns that shoot backward?

[rgramjet]

Anyone have experience with the take down 10-22?  Just saw this one and I like it.


http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html

[Kopfjager]

Behind every blade of grass


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KihAwNn-zoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[ducatiz]

The original quote was " behind every braid of glass."  I never understood.

[The Architect]

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december.aspx

[fastwin]

Anyone have experience with the take down 10-22?  Just saw this one and I like it.


http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html

Yes, I bought one at the end of this summer before dove season. Like all 10/22s it runs like a Swiss watch. It comes in a cool little carry bag that fits the stocked receiver, the stocked barrel and an extra sleeve for scopes, etc. The bag has extra pockets on the outside for mags, ammo, etc. It's a solo shoulder sling bag and if you spray paint over the red Ruger hawk logo (which I did) no one would even know there's a sweet .22lr rifle inside. Great for camping or stowing in your car/truck for the farm and stuff.

The barrel assembly locks up tight. It's as accurate as any 10/22 I've owned except for a bull barrel/Hogue stocked number I have. Shooting it you'd never know it was a "take a-part" gun.

Mine's stainless with black composite stock. I snagged a cheap Simmons 3x9 silver scope and some silver Leupold quick release 1" rings from Optics Planet and it shoots great once I got it doped in. Also threw a Bushnell TRS-25 mini red dot in the carry bag that I also got from OP that was on sale as a factory refurb demo. Nice and cheap and also works great. Rifle comes with a good Picatinny rail that it all mounts on.

By the way, you need to take your scope off the receiver (see quick release rings comment) so the stocked receiver will fit in it's sleeve. No biggie. The scope with QR rings fits in the extra sleeve like it was made for it. Probably was.

Get one! Everyone should. What's not to like?

fastwin

[Kopfjager]

[WarrenJ]

In a shooting I am unfortunately far too familiar with, the cops came in after a barricaded suspect.  They shot the floor, the walls, the ceiling, bullet impacts over 90 degrees from the threat at ranges of 5 feet, shot about 30 rounds and scored one slight leg wound on the bad guy.  The round that scored was fired unsighted through a wall.  They must have watched this too!

[duc_fan]

Wanna build my long-range AR.  A flat-top upper with 24" free-float fluted bull barrel, preferably.   Bushmaster had a nice kit with their 24" varminter barrel, but it's been interminably out of stock.  Looking for alternatives.

Amongst those who have built/shot ARs, what are the good barrel manufacturer for long-range accuracy?  Wilson Combat?  Rock River?  Armalite?

I don't have a zillion dollars for this build, so I'm not looking at places like Les Baer.  Would love one of theirs, but that's just too much scratch.  $525 for the barrel alone... $1200 for an upper assembly.  Noveske is also too expensive and they don't make anything longer than 18".

I have a lower that is in the process of being built up, so I'm only looking for a complete upper or a set of parts to assemble an upper.  Keep in mind I have a carbine-length AR already.  So the long-range rifle is for varmint (coyote) and target purposes only.  For optics I'm strongly leaning toward a 50mm Leupold.

[WarrenJ]

Krieger makes some good ar barrels as does Pac-Nor (who makes Noveske), Mcgowan, etc. 

http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm

The problem with so many of the AR bull barrels out there is they are so darn heavy.  I have a 24" DPMS upper that shoots .375 ctc if I am doing my job, but it never goes anywhere - its just too darn awkward.  I've clipped prairie dogs with my 16" AR at over 500, with a 4x Acog, with an M4 profile DPMS tube and carefully assembled handloads.  Personal opinion would be to build one with a 22-24 inch barrel, fluted and about .75 in dia instead of the .920 of most available.

Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field.  I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!

[ducatiz]

Wanna build my long-range AR.  A flat-top upper with 24" free-float fluted bull barrel, preferably.   Bushmaster had a nice kit with their 24" varminter barrel, but it's been interminably out of stock.  Looking for alternatives.

Amongst those who have built/shot ARs, what are the good barrel manufacturer for long-range accuracy?  Wilson Combat?  Rock River?  Armalite?

I don't have a zillion dollars for this build, so I'm not looking at places like Les Baer.  Would love one of theirs, but that's just too much scratch.  $525 for the barrel alone... $1200 for an upper assembly.  Noveske is also too expensive and they don't make anything longer than 18".

I have a lower that is in the process of being built up, so I'm only looking for a complete upper or a set of parts to assemble an upper.  Keep in mind I have a carbine-length AR already.  So the long-range rifle is for varmint (coyote) and target purposes only.  For optics I'm strongly leaning toward a 50mm Leupold.

http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=172

This is a kit excluding the lower.  There are plenty of good lowers around and prices have come down.

[ducatiz]

Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field.  I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!

Yup.  No gun is useful if it's a pain to field.

With the right equipment and ammo and assembly, one can make a very accurate 16" barreled AR and losing 6" of barrel weight is priceless..

[ducpainter]

Krieger makes some good ar barrels as does Pac-Nor (who makes Noveske), Mcgowan, etc. 

http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm

The problem with so many of the AR bull barrels out there is they are so darn heavy.  I have a 24" DPMS upper that shoots .375 ctc if I am doing my job, but it never goes anywhere - its just too darn awkward.  I've clipped prairie dogs with my 16" AR at over 500, with a 4x Acog, with an M4 profile DPMS tube and carefully assembled handloads.  Personal opinion would be to build one with a 22-24 inch barrel, fluted and about .75 in dia instead of the .920 of most available.

Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field.  I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!

What do you have for a 527 Warren?

I have an FS in .223.

[duc_fan]

So... perhaps waiting for the Bushmaster 24" fluted Varmint barrel would be a good option.  It is close to 1" dia at the breech, but steps down at the gas block and is ~.74" at the muzzle.  Also fluted.  Seems to be one of the lighter 24" barrels around, and gets good reviews.  I've just been growing tired of it being incessantly flagged "out of stock".  To be fair... lots of other manufacturers seem to be having the same problem.  Rock River gets good reviews for product quality, but it sounds like their production delays are interminable.

The Krieger looks nice... but wowsa, that's almost as expensive as the Les Baer.

Granted, for accuracy, the barrel is the most important part of the build.  Everything else is just parts.

'tiz: That link seems to go to one that's 1:14" twist, which is way too slow for the heavy bullets I want to run.  Looks like they do have a 1:8" option here:
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=264

Biggest caveat is the Shaw barrels get mediocre reviews on Sniper's Hide.

[WarrenJ]

A one in 8 or 9 twist is probably where you want to be.  A 1 in 9 will stabilize up to about 75 grain bullets depending on their length (bullet stability vs twist is not a twist to weight ratio, it is a twist to length ratio)  A 1 in 8 will stabilize most 80's and maybe a bit longer.  When you get to the real big bullets, I seat them long and single load them for long range accuracy.  You gain a bit of powder capacity and the typical low drag bullet shape puts the bearing surface of the bullet way back from the nose - so seating them longer reduces the jump of the ogive to the rifling.  I've shot 10" groups at a 1000 yards using my 80 grain rebated boattail low drags seated long out of a 1 in 7 twist Colt sporter target with the factory 20" tube.  They have just about enough power at that range to break paper. 

My 223 527 started out as a full stock rifle and my cousin dropped it into a conventional half stock.  Shoots great with lighter bullets.  I did swage a test run of 73 grain flat base, blunt nose bullets that were short enough to stabilize in the 1 in 12 twist.  Not a long range bullet, but out to 250-300 it hits real hard.  I need to squish up some more of them.  I am thinking I want a Tikka 223 sporter with the 1-8 twist.  Just as handy as the CZ, but I can shoot the longer bullets - would certainly increase the versatility.  I sure wish CZ would make their lightweight 527's with at least a 1 in 9 twist.  My wife is looking at a Rem 700 VTR in 223 with the 1 in 9 to go with her VTR in 308.  She clipped a prairie dog out in Wyoming two weeks ago at 715 with the 308 loaded with 155 Bergers.  She doesn't miss much with that rifle.