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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2010, 12:06:30 AM »

Pm'd you mate - thanks a lot for the great help. Just a query about the O2 sensor - now running DP ECU - so is this necessary?

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 02:03:13 AM »

Here's an update for you on progress - and I use that term very loosely.

Finally, they checked the compression - front clinder was only half what it should be. Rear OK. Not enough valve clearance - some burned residue around seat and valve - but not ruined - cleaned, re-installed, and now the throttle bodies can be adjusted - thank god for that.

However, there is still the fault on BOTH coils - according to the DDS. TPS has been re-set - bike is running "better" but not as smooth as I believe is should be if the electrical gremlin is found out and eliminated.

The bike does not hold a rock steady idle - it hunts up and down a bit - more when it's cold - I looked at the DDS when they checked the TPS reset etc - it was around 1250 - up and down a bit from there, but when i ride, it's a bit more erratic than that. Low throttle openings are a bit rough/jerky - and she is popping a bit on decelleration.

To me, it feels like it is sending erratic spark.

The mech at Ducati here has now basically said he has NFI about what to do - and will go look at some "bulletins" from Italy - and see if he can think of anything else.

I still don't know if he has really checked all the electrics running directly in and around the coils - I looked at the wiring set-up myself - It seems like the ground for the coils/ecu - is all linkned to the main engine ground - which grounds behind the oil breather on the rear of the right side crank case. this looks ok to me.

I guess I will need to get at it, make  sure that it is clean and solid - but it looks it - and surely they would have done this?


But then, I asked them three weeks ago to check the front compression.

Could it be to do with anything like the airpressure sensor - any more tips?

I went for a ride the other day - seemed OK- but a littel rough as mentioned - I did also get some rai, and the bike contuinued to run OK - unlike previously - but again, this is unconclusive - not sure why - if the electrical problem persists, then why has the mechanical fix improved the wet-weather issues?

This is driving me absolutely nuts.

I'm very close to selling it and buying a used FZ1.

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 12:01:04 PM »

What was CO percentage set at when idling? - it could be a bit too lean, was the 02 sensor reconnected? .  Misfiring, backfiring and popping on the over run can often be recorded as "coil faults" in th ecu, so don't get too carried away with the idea that both coils/earths are faulty.

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2010, 02:42:44 PM »

To set the CO2 percentage - do we need to insert sniffers to the mid-pipes?
If so, they did not do this...

...there is no o2 sensor anymore - the set up is with DP ecu, Arrow full system.

Cheers,

Grant.

- just spoke to the Duc Mech - he says - "to adjust the CO2, we play with the air bleeds, which then compromises the balance of the Throttle Bodies - and the DDS system does not have a mixture trim adjustment, but the old one (Mathesis) may do - and will check"

(can anyone confirm this - and if so, then should I wind in the air - bleeds by a quarter turn or so each - assuming they need even adjustments now - and see how that goes?)Right now, I have borrowed a friends Technoresearch software and cables. I'm going to hook that up and confirm the fault/s - see also if there is adjustment for trim, then either adjust the air bleeds and/or start looking to any ground/shorts - and start re-testing myself.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2010, 05:53:04 PM »

Hi GraGra, yes they adjust the idle mixture through the air bleed screws on each throttle body. I too have full Arrow exhaust and you will notice the colour of the exhaust pipes will vary from each pipe if they are out of tune. You will more than likely only need to adjust one throttle body to match the other cylinder but be wary that you should have the rear cylinder richer as it gets hotter due to less air circulating around the cylinder compared to the front. i recently found my bike was a bit grumpy so I had a play and now the bike runs sweet. I did notice after doing a long down hill run a few days ago I noticed one pipe was black and the other pipe was a nice dark biscuit colour so a bit more work is needed. Also note the servo motor controls the idle speed so you have no control of that adjustment.

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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2010, 08:29:11 PM »

I can't offer any help or insight, but I wish you luck.

Just pointing out the obvious - this is bad Karma payback for typing DML in the heading Wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2010, 08:45:32 PM »

USA model has an idle air servo.

Not sure if your Aussie S2R1k has it. ?

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2010, 09:01:41 PM »



i would be looking for a dyno for some testing and fuel mixtures
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2010, 11:20:09 PM »

USA model has an idle air servo.

Not sure if your Aussie S2R1k has it. ?



Yep got that servo too!

What other models have the servo?
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2010, 06:12:41 AM »

I can't offer any help or insight, but I wish you luck.

Just pointing out the obvious - this is bad Karma payback for typing DML in the heading Wink

FARRRRKKK - you may be right....I hope I can ammend that pronto!!!

I will have some more details on this tomorrow...stay tuned...(or untuned, as the case may be..)
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2010, 09:40:52 AM »

FARRRRKKK - you may be right....I hope I can ammend that pronto!!!

I will have some more details on this tomorrow...stay tuned...(or untuned, as the case may be..)

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1241.0   laughingdp laughingdp laughingdp Grin waytogo

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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2010, 06:20:29 PM »

thinking about this today

if you had insufficient clearance enough to cause low compression i would be seriously looking at a leaking valve

it will give the idle symptons you describe
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 09:58:00 PM »

thinking about this today

if you had insufficient clearance enough to cause low compression i would be seriously looking at a leaking valve

it will give the idle symptons you describe

You are right - read post above...and below..

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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2010, 09:58:35 PM »

Ok – ready? Here’s the latest….

(quick re-cap – front cylinder valves were out, and yes, some deposits causing seat issues – that is fixed, and front compression is fine…still lingering coil faults, and rough running…)

Last night, I used the Technoresearch tool/software to inspect the bike myself.

Sure enough, the coil faults throw up – but more detail than the DDS – it says “Charge below threshold” on each coil, and it also says “Open Circuit”.

So, before I do anything else, I then check out the Fuel Trim setting.

(a couple of guys mentioned that the symptoms sounded like it was running lean, and that this can sometime throw coil faults – but I’m not sure how..Huh?)

It is at ZERO,understandably. So I tweak it – up to and beyond 30 – until the bike starts to stumble – then back to 15 and set it there – seems like a happy idle.

(I tried it in negative “lean” – and the idle was up and down like a yo-yo)

Bike is cold, by the way – 40-50 degrees.

Then I Clear the faults, reset the TPS, start it again, check the trim – still at 15, so that’s good, I recheck for faults, and nothing comes up. I have a scotch, watch a couple of episodes of “Californication”, make a booty call and go to bed.

This morning I go for a ride. Bike starts well, holds a nice idle, and the second I pull away, I can feel the difference – it is AMAZINGLY SMOOTH, holds an easy throttle in first while cold – 2,500- 3,500 RPM, warms up flawlessly (no funky idling) – is super mild and smooth on small throttle openings, is a joy to ride in traffic, and pulls really well and smooth.

I can get on the throttle earlier when exiting corners and be more aggressive in general without the jerky, snatchy response.
I can on and off the throttle in first without the need to feather the clutch like before.

Oh, and the bike also sounds different. A lower, deeper smoother thrumming sound – zero popping – the occasional burble, but no strong pops – it’s just smooth up and down through the rev range and on hard over runs, downshifts it’s fine. WOW.

So, I come back home – bike’s hot – 110 degrees, I let it cool and I test again.

Faults come up again. I clear them, they come up again, and again, and again.

So it seems the faults only appear when the bike is Warmed up….I will test this theory again tomorrow when the bike is cold.

I adjust the trim slightly up to 17 (re-set TPS), and it seems slightly more stable, although no real issues at 15 – I will test it at 17 again tomorrow.

Now, something else to mention… I also tested the function of the circuits for the coils, injectors etc – I could hear a hissing or clicking sound when I checked all of these.

When I checked the stepper motor, there was no noise. I wonder if there should be, and if this could be at all related to the coil fault issue? I’m using the DP ECU – does this still operate the stepper motor?

In summary, I guess the key point is…

…if bike seems to be running well, should I continue to hunt the devilish coil faults – or are they just “one of those random things”?

If I could get an exhaust sniffer and carbtune, I could finish the set up properly to a tee, and then live with the coil fault nemesis...just like Nicholson in the movie “Pledge” where he continues to hunt to serial killer, even though unbeknownst to him, the killer met with an untimely end himself.

Thoughts..?
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 12:43:07 AM »

Sound like your almost there GraGra! waytogo

The stepper motor does make a small noise when it adjusts the idle.

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