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Raux

#30
October 14, 2010, 12:04:57 PM
the rotating is on the order of something like 15 or 30 degrees back. not 180.
closer to a V instead of an L that's all
it allows a longer swingarm and still keep a short wheelbase
moves the bulk of the weight forward as well.

and from what i've read it is a V4
I expect the 11 deg testastretta is going to stay as well eventually dropping the standard testastretta
so I expect
V4 16v
L2 4v (11 deg)
L2 2v (non-DS evo)

and since they are building(built?) new facilities, they probably can handle the 3rd engine production line.

Triple J

#31
October 14, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: Raux on October 14, 2010, 12:04:57 PM
the rotating is on the order of something like 15 or 30 degrees back. not 180.
closer to a V instead of an L that's all
it allows a longer swingarm and still keep a short wheelbase
moves the bulk of the weight forward as well.

and from what i've read it is a V4
I expect the 11 deg testastretta is going to stay as well eventually dropping the standard testastretta
so I expect
V4 16v
L2 4v (11 deg)
L2 2v (non-DS evo)

and since they are building(built?) new facilities, they probably can handle the 3rd engine production line.



Where have you read V4? I haven't seen anything even hinting at that. From what I've read, the engine is rotated like you describe, it will use gears instead of belts, and the motor will be highly oversquare to increase rev capability.

Raux

#32
October 14, 2010, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: Triple J on October 14, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
Where have you read V4? I haven't seen anything even hinting at that. From what I've read, the engine is rotated like you describe, it will use gears instead of belts, and the motor will be highly oversquare to increase rev capability.

actually that's pain meds talking

V2 not V4

Monster Dave

#33
October 14, 2010, 01:15:44 PM

DW

#34
February 02, 2011, 06:59:04 AM Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 07:02:17 AM by DW
Cycle World's mobile app website has an article on the new SB.  I didn't see it on the main website yet, but interesting data!  It posted back on 1/12, I don't know how I missed it until now.

Of course it is all speculation until you see the real thing, but I trust them better than MCN.

junior varsity

#35
February 02, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
its going to make an 1198 look inexpensive, price-wise.

ducatiz

#36
February 02, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
If this is true, I am glad Ducati is branching out on their engine designs.  I know it's a big reach for them to make new powerplants given the costs involved but I think it's a big limiting factor in their appeal to new buyers -- basically the same engine setup for almost every bike -- the main difference is air vs water cooled.  A 2V desmodue is still the same basic engine from 1985.
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junior varsity

#37
February 02, 2011, 08:20:42 AM
but that turd sparkles now

ducatiz

#38
February 02, 2011, 08:27:02 AM
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muskrat

#39
February 02, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
man if this is true they can no longer be considered a poor man's Ferrari.  I don't mind innovation but the prices may be in the stratosphere....hope not.
Can we thin the gene pool? 

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DW

#40
February 02, 2011, 09:37:09 AM Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 10:06:18 AM by DW
Wow, so far no Derby notifications!  I can't believe this hadn't been posted yet.  I had looked for it but wasn't sure it hadn't been posted elsewhere.  

Anyhow, it is nice to see Ducati catching up with John Briton finally.  His designs were so far ahead of their time in the mid-90's that you can only imagine what he would have done by now.  In my opinion the #1 biggest untimely loss to motorcycles ever.  

In regards to price, we are all in for a nasty surprise in the coming years.  Just look at the price of a new 600cc supersport.  If a base model Suzi is going just south of $12g's, I can't imagine what the next SBK is going to cost.  Here's hoping it is at least semi-attainable. [roll]

ducatiz

#41
February 02, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Britten is to motorcycling what JFK is to being president.  Did some interesting things, and everything else is myth. 

You never know what Britten might have done.  A little success and then just add coke and hookers and you're back to the same woulda/coulda stories.
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fastwin

#42
February 02, 2011, 10:23:31 AM
I agree. Losing John Britten was a blow to motorcycle racing and the industry itself. My best friend's older brother has one of the 10 Brittens ever made in his office here in Dallas. He's the same guy I posted about in the Racing/Trackdays section when he broke the old Goldenrod speed record at Bonneville last fall. Every time I see him he says he's going take me to lunch and let me oogle over the Britten and his other unobtainable goodies. If it ever happens I'm taking a camera!

Again, Britten's passing was a kick in the shorts for everyone. Interesting that his family has never sold out the design. There will never be a #11. Too bad.
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swampduc

#43
February 02, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: a m on February 02, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
its going to make an 1198 look inexpensive, price-wise.
I, and many other duc owners, won't let that stop us. You only need 1 kidney.
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Triple J

#44
February 02, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 02, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
If this is true, I am glad Ducati is branching out on their engine designs.  I know it's a big reach for them to make new powerplants given the costs involved but I think it's a big limiting factor in their appeal to new buyers -- basically the same engine setup for almost every bike -- the main difference is air vs water cooled.  A 2V desmodue is still the same basic engine from 1985.

How is it a branching out of their engine design? It's just the latest iteration of the current SBK motor which will now be tilted rearward in the frame a little. Still a water-cooled, 4 valve, 1200cc, 90* twin, with desmo valves though. Granted, gears instead of belts. Am I missing something else?  ???

The chassis seems to be the big leap forward.
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