Moto2 stuff

[fastwin]

This may go nowhere but is anyone else somewhat less excited about Moto2 than 250GP? I damn sure am. I'm in the middle of watching the German Moto2 race and I feel like I'm watching a bad AMA Supersport race. It's a limp dick Formula Xtreme race! Do you actually see this as a "grooming" class for future MotoGP 1000cc racers? I damn sure don't. Do you see any future Lorenzos, Pedrosas, Simoncellis, etc out there? I don't. Tony Elias is the only star I see and he went down to run in that class. Sorry... just really disappointed in this class. Can't wait 'til they butcher the 125 class.

Thank God for WSBK!!

[kopfjäger]

I really like Moto2. There have been some great races this season.

Moto2 Rewind: Catalunya; HD sample!

[fastwin]

Ah, this one seems to be a AMA Supersport crash-fest. Besides Elias who really belongs here... in the "you are being groomed to go to 1000cc MotoGP"? I'm blind to see who's next in line with this group. This class is just weak. Like it if you want to. I just don't... I'll delete this crap and watch AMA MX... thank you very much. DORNA, wake up!!!! You're loosing it. Better hang onto Rossi otherwise you are done!! My worthless two cents...

[Triple J]

I really like Moto2 as well. 

I don't see how the 250 class was any better for grooming future MotoGP riders...especially with the switch back to 1000cc.

[Jester]

There has been some good racing in Moto2 this year and a very heavy grid which is a good thing.  I don't see any issues with it... and hopefully they will find a way to bring the moto2 machines to Laguna.  Talented riders work around the machinery anyway, its not holding anyone back.

I think our biggest worry was lack of drama and some good racing that we came to expect from 250's.  We still seem to have both.

[derby]

...and hopefully they will find a way to bring the moto2 machines to Laguna. 

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Aug/100804b.htm

[fastwin]

OK, maybe the word crap in the title is a little strong, I'll re-title it. I'll blame that on my third top shelf margarita I had with dinner! Doesn't quite qualify for the official I'm drunk thread but I guess I was badly waxing nostalgic for the old 250GP class. I'm just overloaded on Honda 600cc inline four racing. And I do think the 250GP class "groomed" riders well to move up to MotoGP... at least in it's 800cc format. Probably better than WSBK. It will be interesting to see who takes to the new 1000cc format. I guess this thread can turn into the Moto2 thread. I don't think there is one, nor is there one for World Supersport. Oh well, end of 600cc rant.

[Spidey]

If you're concerned about the quality of the Moto2 grid, in part that's because a huge group of the promising/interesting 250 riders moved up to GP last year-- Aoyama, Simoncelli, Bautista, Barbera.  There hadn't been significant 250 -->GP movement in the prior couple of years.  A new crop of Moto2 stars will arise shortly.

I think Moto2 has been awesome.  There are routinely 5 guys dicing it out all race until and through the last lap. 

[fastwin]

Yeah, maybe I'm just being pissy but you are probably right, it just needs time to develop. As sad as it was for 250GP to go the way of the dinosaur I was hoping this could be a really cool class. Maybe my expectations were a little high for the first season. And you are also right that the best of the best left the 250 class over the last couple of years for MotoGP. You know it's funny, I enjoy the World Supersport races much more than Moto2. I think the talent runs a little deeper in WSS. Hopefully Moto2 will get there. Obviously it does already for some. [moto] Hey, you enjoy what you enjoy. Good enough.

[fastwin]

OK, I still go with my first impression of this class. I am just now finally watching the Indy Moto2 dumbmake the beast with two backs crashfest and I'm not 5-6 laps into it. Where did they get these riders? There is no way in hell some of the riders could possibly make it through the turns they are riding and they just t-bone the hell out of other riders left and right. The front group is OK but 75% of the other riders shouldn't even be there. They really need to not let every rider with two legs and a heart beat compete in this class. It's pretty embarrassing. Sad...

[kopfjäger]

The front group is OK but 75% of the other riders shouldn't even be there.

If they did that, then it would be a yawn fest like MotoGP. 

[avizpls]

Im getting frustrated with the way they just send them off to crash. Its predicatble what will happen in turn one damn near every race. The formula for massive crashes is clearly there and it shouldnt be.

[brix821]

Ianonne is awesome

[fastwin]

Im getting frustrated with the way they just send them off to crash. Its predicatble what will happen in turn one damn near every race. The formula for massive crashes is clearly there and it shouldnt be.

Maybe they should have a bike limit on the grid. I don't know, maybe 20 max. Or have some sort of qualy time cut off. You have to qualify within X% of the pole time. It's not like the leaders are lapping the back markers on the 10th lap but damn, I couldn't believe some of the f'ed up lines in crowded turns some guys were taking! They weren't riding to pass riders, they were riding to crash into them! There is no way some of those guys could have made it through the turns on an empty track much less one with riders elbow to asshole three deep in a turn! I have never seen a more crash filled GP race. Not even ones run in the wet. The words frustration and embarassment come to mind. Admitedly decent racing up front but the rest was just damn hard to watch. How can DORNA put up with a race like that?

[kopfjäger]

^^ Here are the retirements from the Indy race. It wasn't as bad as you think.


Retirements:

     Mashel Al Naimi      BQR          12 laps
     Jules Cluzel         Suter        11 laps
     Ratthapark Wilairot  Bimota       8 laps
     Raffaele De Rosa     Tech 3       6 laps
     Stefan Bradl         Suter        5 laps
     Ricard Cardus        Bimota       2 laps
     Yusuke Teshima       Motobi       2 laps
     Hector Faubel        Suter        1 lap
     Alex Debon           FTR          1 lap
     Vladimir Ivanov      Moriwaki     1 lap
     Shoya Tomizawa       Suter        0 laps
     Michael Ranseder     Suter        0 laps