what is the maximum lean angle available for a S4R?

[derby]

Following this just so i can see the outcome of the case!!

if we're lucky, everybody will behave and the thread won't get locked.

[akmnstr]

if we're lucky, everybody will behave and the thread won't get locked.

Let's all be on our best behavior!

[matt922]

chances are.. the occifer doesn't even remember the color of the bike, or much of anything about the situation.  The only ones that seem to show up in court are the ones that write tickets regularly(why they dont remember crap) and your more serious cases like DUIs.

If you plead guilty to one charge, you still have to pay outrageous court fees.

In my experience, you won't really have time to defend yourself either (thats what lawyers are for).

[Veloce-Fino]

I did this yesterday (on my 620). It is the max.  The bike would not go any further.

Haha..

[DoubleEagle]

Explaining how a physical happening can't possibly be w, Math and Psysics sounds like a novel defense....and would merit serious thought to try and rebut it !

Dolph       

[Veloce-Fino]

Explaining how a physical happening can't possibly be w, Math and Psysics sounds like a novel defense....and would merit serious thought to try and rebut it !

Dolph       

Idk, from my ample experience dealing with traffic court, the judge will not have the time or interest to try and understand what you are saying.

Typically the officer and I would work out a deal just before entering the courtroom and spend 1-2 minutes in front of the judge. If that didn't go well, I would get a minute to plead my case and then (usually) I would be given reduced charge and an ass reaming by the judge for being an idiot.

Thankfully I have grown out of this stage......or maybe I'm better at not getting caught now 

[He Man]

chances are.. the occifer doesn't even remember the color of the bike, or much of anything about the situation.  The only ones that seem to show up in court are the ones that write tickets regularly(why they dont remember crap) and your more serious cases like DUIs.

If you plead guilty to one charge, you still have to pay outrageous court fees.

In my experience, you won't really have time to defend yourself either (thats what lawyers are for).

maybe if youre in a place with not enough cops on duty.

ive been to court 3 times. 1x visor ticket 1x plate is hidden, 1x no right hand mirror

cop showed up for all 3 (though the visor and mirror was a single cop in 1 shot).

anything involving points, u should hire a lawyer and just let him take care of it. everything else u can fight if u think u can win, but usually if u are clear in the wrong, u can get the price reduced. and even then it isnt reduced much because the minimum is usually only a few bucks off the fine anyway.

in nyc, there is a $80 mandatory surcharge fee + the actual $35 ticket fee (or something to those numbers). thats $115 total. The computer wont take a fine lower than $25, so u only save $10 bucks..... even if the judge says to put the fine at $1, the computer just wont accept it. so is it worth it? not at all. thats just in my area.

[slyfox]

Haha..

But it's true

& I'm very well behave

[Veloce-Fino]

maybe if youre in a place with not enough cops on duty.

ive been to court 3 times. 1x visor ticket 1x plate is hidden, 1x no right hand mirror

cop showed up for all 3 (though the visor and mirror was a single cop in 1 shot).

anything involving points, u should hire a lawyer and just let him take care of it. everything else u can fight if u think u can win, but usually if u are clear in the wrong, u can get the price reduced. and even then it isnt reduced much because the minimum is usually only a few bucks off the fine anyway.

in nyc, there is a $80 mandatory surcharge fee + the actual $35 ticket fee (or something to those numbers). thats $115 total. The computer wont take a fine lower than $25, so u only save $10 bucks..... even if the judge says to put the fine at $1, the computer just wont accept it. so is it worth it? not at all. thats just in my area.

What country/state are you in?

WTF is a visor ticket?

Only having 1 mirror ticket?

AFAIK in PA you are only required to have the left hand mirror. When mine was knocked off by a random person in a parking lot, it passed inspection because it was the right mirror and the left was intact.

[vw151]

I think the different tire manufactures actually publish "max lean angles" for their tires. 

[mattc7]

What country/state are you in?

WTF is a visor ticket?

Only having 1 mirror ticket?

AFAIK in PA you are only required to have the left hand mirror. When mine was knocked off by a random person in a parking lot, it passed inspection because it was the right mirror and the left was intact.

In NY if you don't have DOT approved eye protection, you are illegally operating your motorcycle.  It's akin to driving without a seatbelt in fines.
--Visor must be DOWN at all times legally, unless you have DOT approved shades

In NY, however, you only need a left mirror..that's an odd ticket.  And if you show to court with a photo of 1 mirror, it usually washes off.

[Howie]

Traffic violations are state and every state is different, there may even be differences between cities and counties.  There is no plea bargaining in NYC, you are either guilty or not guilty.  As He Man said, the hearing officer can reduce the fine, but not significantly.  If the officer is on traffic detail the odds are he/she will show up since there will be several other tickets, making the day worth while.  If not, you will get a letter with a new date.  Oh, in the case of a ticket like He Man got for the mirror it is a good idea to bring the statute with you.

On the other hand, I got pulled for speeding upstate, about 30 over.  The officer was nice enough to write me for a speed that would keep me within plea bargaining territory and told me to show up and plead not guilty.  When I appeared there were no police present.  I plead not guilty and was offered a fine for parking on the sidewalk.  No points, no insurance raise, I paid.  Since I was obviously wrong this was a good deal.

[Veloce-Fino]

Howie, that is an awesome deal.

I got pulled over last week in the cage going 38 in a 15. I was leaving campus at 3am on a sunday night after studying for 12 hours straight...

Managed to talk down the officer to a parking ticket $50 is a LOT better than the 3-4 points I would have gotten.



As far as the OP goes, you can challenge (usually successfully) that the officer did not have an accurate reading on your speed, and his "guestimate" is not sufficient enough for you to be proven guilty. His relative distance from you, time of day, etc could alter his perception of your speed. If you are dealing with a serious fine/suspension/life ruining insurance premiums I would fight it.

[Raux]

ok thanks guys... but it turns out it's not necessary anymore :p

believe it or not, this was actually intended to be part of a courtroom defense against allegations of 'excessive speeding' and 'riding with undue care & attention'.    

don't get me wrong, I definitely WAS speeding to some extent and freely admit to that - just not *excessively* speeding, as the cop has guesstimated the speeds involved (no radar).
Now, I've actually gone and measured the corner radius in question, and using some simple(?!) physics for calculating the required lean angle at a given speed through a corner with a known radius, I've determined that at the speeds I've been accused of, the required lean angle would be 72 degrees!

As it turns out, it's been published by Michelin tire co. that the MAX available lean for maintaining traction with their pilot power 2CT's is 51.2 degrees! (pretty close to where He-Man there falls off his chart!)

So either I'm quite the miraculous rossi-wannabe, or the officer was overly generous in his 'speed by sight' calculations.... hmmmm.... wonder which one it is?

I just hope I get a judge who understands physics!

here's the only problem with this defense. at this point you will have the required information to be able to accurate tell them how fast you were going, and if that is over the limit...

but you also aren't factoring in body positioning, etc. if you lean off the bike you can change the required lean angle for a certain speed.

ALSO if you are travelling at slower speeds you can actually push the bike down and shift your weight high to appear to be going faster than you are. ie when you are doing an evasive manuever.

[DNAspark99]

As far as the OP goes, you can challenge (usually successfully) that the officer did not have an accurate reading on your speed, and his "guestimate" is not sufficient enough for you to be proven guilty. His relative distance from you, time of day, etc could alter his perception of your speed. If you are dealing with a serious fine/suspension/life ruining insurance premiums I would fight it.

I'm in Vancouver, BC (Canada eh!)

Around here, the law accepts an officer's visual estimation of speed as valid - if you want to see how questionable this is, check out our local news clip on the matter:PEAK-A-BOO!

As of September 20th 2010, we have a new law as well that makes vehicle impound _mandatory_ for excessive speeding charges.
An officer can now impound your bike based on this 'opinion' of how fast you appeared to be traveling. 7 days impound the 1st time, 30 days the 2nd, and 60 or more on the 3rd time!