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« on: October 28, 2010, 05:06:12 AM »

Hello guys

The subject says it all i guess...i've been a motorhead for a long time (mainly car racing, auto x, etc) and i always wanted to get into motorcycling. i just bought my first bike 6 weeks ago (Aprilia Mana 850) which is an automatic - sequential gear bike. the reason i went for this kind of bike is because i had "zero" riding experience and i didnt want to go with the 250 cc category to learn then upgrade. after i got familiar with riding in terms of stability, acceleration, breaking and balancing i think i am now ready to start the shifting thing.
i always wanted to buy a monster and now i have the chance to trade in my 2009 Aprilia Mana with a used but almost new 2010 Monster 696 (less than 2,000). I've seen lots of reviews and they all said that the 696 is a perfect beginner bike

i have lots and lots of questions to ask about the monster and ive been searching this forum for a while now, some answers are found and some are still unanswered.


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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 06:16:18 AM »

Welcome.

Well, if you've got specific questions I'm sure someone here will have an answer. We've got sections for just about every flavor of topic, so just toss your question in the right spot, and you'll get responses pretty quickly.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 06:25:05 PM »

Welcome to the DMF and to riding! Smiley

It sounds like you have already made up your mind, so I won't repeat my typical advice about beginning bikes.
Good luck with your purchase, keep us updated.  Pictures are always welcome. Grin

Have fun, ride safe. [moto]
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 11:45:50 PM »

Thanks Guys

well i kind of found a few answers here, for example i wondering if the Monster has a fuel gauge and obviously it doesnt! how come a fuel gauge is not a standard thing on bikes?? that is really a shame imo!
since i'm still new to all this, how do you guys know which gear are you on when driving? i find that very confusing to be honest. there should be a gear indicator on the screen to tell you which gear is engaged! that also should be standard.
and what about helmet locks? i read that you can lock your helmet from under the back seat but there is no clear pictures to show how, do you guys have any pics or have i missed a thread?

I'm selling my Aprilia tomorrow and within a few days my Monster will arrive, hopefully will post some pics by then..wish me luck with both processes, selling the Aprilia and buying the monster

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 11:48:51 PM »

Welcome to the DMF and to riding! Smiley

It sounds like you have already made up your mind, so I won't repeat my typical advice about beginning bikes.
Good luck with your purchase, keep us updated.  Pictures are always welcome. Grin

Have fun, ride safe. [moto]

And what is your typical advice about beginning bikes? dont you think that the 696 would fit as a beginner bike?
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 01:31:16 AM »

Fuel gauge - I agree, it should be standard. Most of us set the trip counter at every fill up and follow that (after learning what mileage we get)
Gear indicator - after a while you just know, vibration and noise tell you if it needs changing. If you still need it, there are after market indicators.
Helmet lock - don't know about the 696, but previous Monsters have a wire with loops in both ends, stashed in the seat box. There is a pin sticking up from the frame, going up into the seat pan, which holds the wire ends. The wire itself is going through the helmet. If your bike doesn't have it, there are aftermarket alternatives (lock mounted under the license plate, on the handle bars or frame, longer wires with a separate lock, ....)

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 07:45:35 AM »

As above - it's like a manual transmission car. You get a feel for it. And in many cases the number gear you're in isn't as important in being in the correct gear for the situation.

For the helmet lock - dunno about newer Monsters, but the older ones had a small cable and post under the seat. The 'cable' was really more a glorified wire and really too short. I stopped by an REI (or any bicycle shop) and got a cable that's intend to secure a bicycles seat to the frame. Longer, stronger and not near so fiddly.

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 04:22:44 PM »

well i kind of found a few answers here, for example i wondering if the Monster has a fuel gauge and obviously it doesnt! how come a fuel gauge is not a standard thing on bikes?? that is really a shame imo!

It has a low fuel light...when it comes on you have a little bit of time (maybe 20 miles, depends on the bike and the rider) to fill up.  Never rely on it - the trip meter should be your friend.

since i'm still new to all this, how do you guys know which gear are you on when driving? i find that very confusing to be honest. there should be a gear indicator on the screen to tell you which gear is engaged! that also should be standard.

Honestly, apart from 1st and neutral, which are obvious, it doesn't really matter which gear you are in numerically as long as it is appropriate for the situation, which you can tell by the rpms and the sound and feel of the engine...just takes getting used to.

and what about helmet locks? i read that you can lock your helmet from under the back seat but there is no clear pictures to show how, do you guys have any pics or have i missed a thread?

I wouldn't trust locking a helmet to a bike, I always carry mine with me.

I'm selling my Aprilia tomorrow and within a few days my Monster will arrive, hopefully will post some pics by then..wish me luck with both processes, selling the Aprilia and buying the monster

Good luck! waytogo

And what is your typical advice about beginning bikes? dont you think that the 696 would fit as a beginner bike?

No, I really don't.  I think it is a great 2nd bike.

I wrote this to someone else before but I'll repeat it here:

You will find all kinds of differing advice about the suitability of a Monster as a starter bike.

Personally I would recommend first finding a little beater bike and riding the snot out of it for 6 months, then getting your Duc.  Why?
- You should be able to sell a good starter bike for about the same price that you buy it for
- Less expense and heartbreak when you drop it - Ducs are more expensive to repair (even if you can do the work yourself, the parts are more expensive than for a japanese bike...)
- It'll be very forgiving when you are still learning the mechanics and coordination of riding; it's much easier to get in trouble quickly with a bigger bike
- It'll build your confidence faster than a bigger bike will - it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Wink
- It'll save you on insurance
- After you've been riding for a little while you'll have a much better idea of what you are looking for in your next bike

Here's a review I wrote up a while ago on the Ninja 250:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2613.0

And here's an excellent post I saw on another board about beginning bikes:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5380523&postcount=8

But it sounds like you have made up your mind already, so good luck and enjoy! Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 11:36:37 PM »

well
the 696 have arrived 10 days ago and damn i'm in love with it
i totally disagree with anyone who says "don't start with a 600 cc"
the bike is LIGHT and handles perfectly
it took me 2-3 days max to get used to it and then drive it on the freeway
the only thing that bothers me is that it doesn't start easily...you have to start it over and over again until the engine heats up then you're good to go
other than that i cannot complain - at least for now -
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 01:10:17 AM »

Congratulations chug

I think there are threads about the known cold start issues.
Some people turn the key off, then back on for a second or third attempt.
Try that? Search for cold start threads waytogo
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 01:43:45 AM »

Helmet lock: there's a wire loop under the seat. But like "somegirl" said, I always carry my helmet, too.
So far (knock on wood), I have not had any problems starting the bike. It always starts smoothly. Have fun and safe riding
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 07:08:15 AM »

Congratulations on the new bike!  I have a 696 and love it.  It was my first bike.  As far as cold starting, do you use the fast idle feature?  I use this when starting and let the bike warm up for a few minutes before riding off.  It makes a huge difference.  Also, be sure to wait until "Ducati Monster 696" is done being displayed on the dash before turning the key.  Hope that helps.


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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 09:12:19 PM »

Helmet lock: there's a wire loop under the seat. But like "somegirl" said, I always carry my helmet, too.
So far (knock on wood), I have not had any problems starting the bike. It always starts smoothly. Have fun and safe riding
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I managed to solve the helmet lock thing by storing a "wire lock" under the seat, so i only have to pop the seat off, grab the wire and lock the damn thing Smiley....only thing to avoid is touching the exhaust tips when popping the seat off (they can melt your fingers)
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 04:10:02 PM »

I am also new to riding(1 season so far) I got my first bike an 05 620 in mid summer and had never even been on a bike before that.
Ive never had a Problem with gear selection and havent ever stalled my bike. I also have never used the helmet lock. I have a
cheap helmet, live in a safe state, and dont stray very far away from my bike so i dont really need it. Ive never been happier to
have owned anything in my life. I think youll find yourself thinking about your new ducati alot. Word of advice...If you want
to concentrate on other things like work, relationships and anything besides your bike, dont start modding. once you do it will
consume your thoughts and control your dreams. Good luck out there and stay safe waytogo
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 08:57:50 PM »

. Word of advice...If you want
to concentrate on other things like work, relationships and anything besides your bike, dont start modding. once you do it will
consume your thoughts and control your dreams. Good luck out there and stay safe waytogo

I totally agree with you on the modding thing, i used to have a BMW M3 and kept it stock until the bug hit me and started modding, as you said, it'll consume your thoughts and most important your wallet!
i now own a Mitsu Lancer Evo X, bought it stock then started modding a little bit but i stopped myself before it was too late.
I like my monster the way it is, even the most popular modd (new exhaust) is not on my list at all.
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