2011 rumors of Changes appear untru

[Punx Clever]

I would love to have ABS on my monster.  Traction control... eh, I just want a slipper for that.

Think about it, cruising along on the expressway and all of a sudden some jackwagon cuts you off.  Instead of worrying about applying your breaks in a controlled fashion, you can just grab a handful and let the computer sort it out.  Yeah, a good rider can do it without a second thought, but there is always that one time you are distracted for whatever reason.  I've heard a lot of support from the police who switched to BMW in Albaq in reference to the ABS system on those bikes.

[Ahks]

my opinion?

ANYTHING that can increase your life expectancy or at least diminish risk of serious injury, without taking all the fun away?, while on a motorcycle?, is OK in my book like helmets... to me wearing one or not doesn't change my enjoyment of the ride, unless it's cold outside so why wouldn't I wear one? besides it being the law in MI... If i really wanted to enjoy a ride without a helmet OH is only 40minute ride down I-75 for me.

For my s/o's added piece of mind I'll wait for ABS+TC... beside it's a great excuse to get an 1100 

[poseur]

most riders don't ride hard enough to actually benefit from it.

Every rider will benefit from ABS. Every single one.

[mattc7]

Every rider will benefit from ABS. Every single one.

That's a direct bit of mistruth.

[duccarlos]

Every rider will benefit from ABS. Every single one.

+1 Saw all the test videos where they had pro riders try to out break the system. I don't care about your ego, it will stop quicker than not having it.

[duk too]

My 1100s has ABS and it has cliked in a few times.

I can't say that it saved my life, but its amazing how well it works.

[Howie]

The best of riders are subject to an occasional brain fart or random slick spot.  This is when ABS comes into play.  Unfortunately, the already too small fuel tank gets even smaller.

[mattc7]

+1 Saw all the test videos where they had pro riders try to out break the system. I don't care about your ego, it will stop quicker than not having it.

ABS is not helpful in some places. 

Every rider on the street will benefit from ABS under most riding conditions. 

On a track (I know, it's not a race bike, just saying), I haven't seen any statistics to show faster laptimes with ABS...but i have seen slower.

The "studies" of ABS are, to my knoweldge, not blind studies in the slightest bit.  I won't say they're wrong, I just know the human tendency to prove themselves right.

[Ahks]

I'm curious about the price.
ABS and DTC are now considered "Standard"
An M1100s without abs was what? MSRP $13,995

BUT
The monster 1100 and 796 had the same price as the HM 1100evo and 796...

Is this new monster gonna be priced @ 12k like the previous 1100? I can most certainly see them bumping the price up a bit... but i'm gonna keep my fingers crossed...

[duccarlos]

ABS is not helpful in some places. 

Every rider on the street will benefit from ABS under most riding conditions. 

On a track (I know, it's not a race bike, just saying), I haven't seen any statistics to show faster laptimes with ABS...but i have seen slower.

The "studies" of ABS are, to my knoweldge, not blind studies in the slightest bit.  I won't say they're wrong, I just know the human tendency to prove themselves right.

"Studies":

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2010/april/apr0710-video-ducati-monster-1100-abs-test/

[mattc7]

"Studies":

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2010/april/apr0710-video-ducati-monster-1100-abs-test/

You have proved my point with this.

Tires - Not identical.
Rider - Knows which is which
Bikes - Not identical
Tire age - Not identical

My main point here, is that these studies aren't really valid given the variables.  I haven't ever said that ABS wasn't valuable, or that it was worse than non for most riders on the street.  I'm just saying that these aren't properly tested, and as such are barely worth the time spent putting them together.

I wont argue that it can reduce emergency stopping time, and that it is an extra safety cushion.  I just want proper studies done to the effect. The closest to a full study done is the fact that bikes with abs are almost 40% less likely to be involved in a fatal crash than ones without.  However, that has to do alot with the number of bikes thereby equipped, and the reasons for the incidents, which go unpublished.

Still, unproven in normal use on track. The non-linear feel is not conducive to track use.

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Every rider will benefit from ABS. Every single one.

there exists a rider, who will not benefit.  On track the feel is gone. It hinders most racers (unless they're about to overbrake the front end). [at least] Some Racers do not benefit from ABS .

All racers are riders.

Therefore, there are at least some riders who will not benefit from ABS.

[Ahks]

I <3 internet arguing...

[duccarlos]

Didn't we go through the same argument when cars were originally fitted with ABS? ABS is mostly useful for day to day use. Rarely do you come to a complete stop when on a track. The only time it would be useful on the track would be going from a very high speed section, like a straight, to a very low speed turn. In this case, it would help you outbrake as long as you use a combo of engine/normal braking. In any other section, it would not be a hindrance or an advantage.

Now, to the practical point of the fact that the Monster is a track bike only in times that the rider does not have any other option. This bike in no way has been designed to be used as a dedicated track bike. So, ABS is the proper application for what the bike was designed for, the street.

[mattc7]

Didn't we go through the same argument when cars were originally fitted with ABS? ABS is mostly useful for day to day use. Rarely do you come to a complete stop when on a track. The only time it would be useful on the track would be going from a very high speed section, like a straight, to a very low speed turn. In this case, it would help you outbrake as long as you use a combo of engine/normal braking. In any other section, it would not be a hindrance or an advantage.

Now, to the practical point of the fact that the Monster is a track bike only in times that the rider does not have any other option. This bike in no way has been designed to be used as a dedicated track bike. So, ABS is the proper application for what the bike was designed for, the street.

I never argued either of these points, simply stating it won't always benefit everyone, except that on track it can be a hindrance. If it kicks in when not needed, which some systems do on occasion. Also, more weight, and a serious pain to bleed.

Also, explaining the flaw in the studies.

That's all  I'm not saying the findings are wrong, I'm just saying they're improperly done 

[danaid]

I never argued either of these points, simply stating it won't always benefit everyone, except that on track it can be a hindrance. If it kicks in when not needed, which some systems do on occasion. Also, more weight, and a serious pain to bleed.

Also, explaining the flaw in the studies.

That's all  I'm not saying the findings are wrong, I'm just saying they're improperly done 

You are a little confused, ABS is a safety device like airbags, crumple zones, safety glass etc.. on a car, not a riding aid / improver like launch control, traction control or what ever they are calling it.
ABS is an extremely significant safety device that will prevent many accidents or at least lessen injuries during those times when we are all caught off guard.