PCIII an Open Airbox mod with dyno tune

[mattyvas]

I think you're coming from a very logical place Loony.
Of course it makes perfect sense to have your base settings running at optimum before banging on a custom tuned PC III
I am totally with you there, why mask a problem with a band aid if all you need to do it get it right before hand.

Cakeman, you can only ask about the settings and a tune before adding the PC III
Again though what are you trying to do with a PC III is it just to adjust it with an open air box.
Is your bike running a stock ECU or DP ECU, if it's the latter I am sure it can be tuned without the need for a PC III
You can also think of doing an ECU re-flash if you are running a stock ECU.

[J5]

dude, seriously, what the make the beast with two backs is bizarre about getting base settings correct before spending time on a custom map?
and yes, i'm sure you check your tps (by degrees or voltage?) and throttle body balance before you send your bike in for a tune..........
I'm not defending anyones pricing structure, but i am saying it sounds fair from my experience and i'll also add that your overly simplistic view of what is required to CORRECTLY tune and install a CUSTOM map may be contributing to your opinion that cakeman's quote was high.
then again, maybe you have shitloads of experience installing PCIII on fridges?

nothing bizarre about tps etc

as i suggested its something that it would be something you should keep on top of anyway

your original statement was what about labour to install PCIII??? , there was no mention of a service or tune on top of that

so before getting your knickers in a twist it would be prudent to know exactly what the quote entailed but i am near willing to bet my left nut it was exactly as he stated in the first place of supply+fit a PCIII and do the mapping as cakemans quote is figures i have seen dyno operaters quote for custom maps and as i gave above  and as i have stated it is what it should be 

[Betty]

nothing bizarre about tps etc

as i suggested its something that it would be something you should keep on top of anyway

  so you are both disagreeing but saying the same thing.

Cakeman, find out what is included and make sure you have your settings right (by them or someone else) before doing the dynotune.

[loony888]

would i be right in think that for the quote i was given to install the PCIII andtune, it would include a going over of the base settings (TB Balance & TPS?) or would that be on top of that?

i certainly wouldn't assume it's included, as others have said, ask. but from my experience with alex at LAE Racing, he installed my PCIII set my TPS, balanced my throttle bodies and did a compression check before putting it on the dyno and mapping it.

[Roaduser]

can i ask what other mods u have done and what the symptoms are when u ride it to need a pcIII?

i have a 2valver so it may be totally irrelevant, but mine has high mount remus 'race' pipes, no air box with a pair of tpo inlet stacks, removed crankcase breather tank, big ignition leads and it runs awesome after a simple desmo clinic tune up/base tune adjustment with TB balance.

[Betty]

can i ask what other mods u have done and what the symptoms are when u ride it to need a pcIII?

i have a 2valver so it may be totally irrelevant, but mine has high mount remus 'race' pipes, no air box with a pair of tpo inlet stacks, removed crankcase breather tank, big ignition leads and it runs awesome after a simple desmo clinic tune up/base tune adjustment with TB balance.

Some bikes, particularly the bigger ones, seem to require more work than others. Although something like a PCIII may improve your bike further, it is really of no consequence if you (and Mike) are happy with the way it is running ... the adjustments you mentioned are often all that is needed.

Jukie has similar modifications and she is more than happy with the way it runs after a touch up from Mike ... but its a little bike too.

[Roaduser]

well i obviously spoke too soon... its unrelated but my fuel pump appears to have died this morning damn it!! i can hear the relay but no buzz from the pump and no broom. wiring looks fine on first look.

ill have to look into it when i get my smile back..

and for the record, mine isnt as small as jukie's, im 800 strong!! 

[loony888]

the biggest problem, particularly with the S4R, is the catalytic converter and the subsequent ignition timing change over the earlier bikes without the cat. remove the cat and it will have a surge anywhere from 4 to 5 thou rpm on a constant light throttle, at least mine did, and it was very annoying in traffic. i had my ignition pickups shimmed as tight as i could get them, 9thou i think, it's been a while, but in the end i fit a D/P ecu from a S4 to suit the big foggy type headers and it fixed the issue completely as the S4 has no cat and the ignition timing is set to suit that. Aside from the final drive ratio and 80cc of capacity the cat is the only difference engine wise between the two.
 the d/p stuff isn't tuneable though, you can only alter overall trim like a std ecu, you just get a better (read, non emissions) map to start with, oh, and a higher rpm limit.

paul.