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Author Topic: why are my blinkers acting like flashers when i connect the guage cluster?  (Read 16405 times)
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2011, 03:46:18 PM »

I stand corrected.

And I am shorter than some of the taller midgets....
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2011, 04:53:14 PM »

so. what i got is i was on the right track...sort of. i can clip a wire and it would work, at the sacrifice of an indicator light, which seems kind of redundant in this situation (super bright amber LED arrays), but that is what a hack would do and i kinda know it. so i order a 13$ part, be patient, and do it right, which is what a mechanic would do.....well since that's kinda what i wanna be when i grow up i s'pose that'll be the route i take. besides, i'm kind of a perfectionist and that dormant light would prob'ly start to piss me of after a while. i've ordered the resistors. any tips on their installation? those relays also sound good, if they work as described. think i'll order those too and see wha's what.
thanks for all the excellent feedback. i will post the results and pics
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2011, 02:05:48 PM »

by the way...

nothin under there but a PC lll
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2011, 02:54:07 PM »

so after reading all the posts and looking at things and a sleepless night, here's what i got: in the original configuration current passes through the indicator light seeking a ground. to my limitted knowledge this is, by definition, a short, right? since light bulbs operate by converting electrical energy into heat energy, they also act as resistors? this resistance (a) kept the current down a bit, and (b) makes bulbs harder to light than, say, LEDs. how'm i doin' so far? so...whatever current managed to make its way past the indicator, though insufficient to light the bulbs on the opposite side of the circuit, is adequate to light the indicator? but since the current requirements of LEDs are rilly rilly not very big, this "leak" is more than sufficient to light them?

i read and rethunk things over and came up withe the idea that installing the resistors would only serve to recreate a set of circumstances that allowed the whole system to function despite what was essentially a flaw. besides, the resistors are kinda ugly and i rilly don't want to chop the nice shiny Vizi-tec harness. it seems the problem is that current was being allowed to travel in the wrong direction. so its a question of how to correct this issue and keep the current on the right path. i'm not 100% sure, but i think the English words correct, right, and direction all come from the Germen rechts. so i decided the best idea was to rectify the situation. lol. i got a pair of diodes at R-Shack (1N4001), some shrink tube, and some solder then got to work.

first step was to (gasp!!) disassemble (no disassemble jonny5) the instrument cluster. here's that:



then i snipped and stripped both wires from the signal indicator light (white/green and white/black) and one black wire (they're all good). i twisted one of the leads from the bulb to the ground, then connected each (+) lead (anode) from the diodes to the leads coming from the wiring harness and twisted the remaining lead from the bulb to the (-) leads (cathode) or both diodes.

here's my schema:


and here's the test assembly:


before making it official with solder and shrink tubing i brought the whole mess out to the garage, borrowed a pair of hands, hooked it up, and tested it. i'm a fn genius. it worked.  Cool

the rest of these pics are pretty self explanatory:











i could've snipped a wire or pulled the bulb like i said (pssssst. i tried it w/o the bulb and it worked. lol), but because of all the feedback i got on here i did it the not so easy, but betterer way and i am pretty freakin proud of myself rite now, but i owe a big thanx to all who steered me away from the wrong direction.  bow down chug  
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2011, 03:57:56 PM »

No large resistors to worry about overheating...you da man! waytogo
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2011, 07:56:34 PM »

Nice job!   waytogo  Definately much cleaner than the resistors solution.

BTW - The internals on your cluster are nothing like mine.  I think it would have been near impossible to use the same solution.  I just have a big single circuit board which I would never even try to modify.
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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2011, 10:08:55 PM »

awesome solution for older style monsters, definitely wouldn't work in any of the 02+ models waytogo
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2011, 05:05:18 PM »

 waytogo

The diode route is the way I went, since I have an aftermarket gauge (and was doing all the wiring myself anyway)

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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2013, 09:37:42 AM »

I'm in the same mess, but I want a quick fix before MotoGP -Laguna this weekend.

I think I'm going to just pull the indicator bulb in the cluster and see if this works....

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64254.msg1185296#msg1185296


Same deal.
1. Replaced all 4 signals with LED
2. Tried using LED Flash relay (Novita ES35 is the latest one)
3. SAME: All 4 are blinking like hazard.. which isn't really that bad since I commute on the Bay Bridge..lol)

But Its really bugging me so I will try and pull the bulb out. But later on I may try the Diode way as well...

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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2013, 09:57:25 AM »

UPDATE:

Pulled the bulb out..

Worked great. then took it on the freeway, and blew the fuse (7.5). Replaced fuse and blew again.

when blown, I lost tail light and all instrument / signal.

Still had Headlight and brake light.

I will check all wiring this week.

Thanks
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2013, 02:27:10 PM »

Nice job!   waytogo  Definately much cleaner than the resistors solution.

BTW - The internals on your cluster are nothing like mine.  I think it would have been near impossible to use the same solution.  I just have a big single circuit board which I would never even try to modify.

The big single circuit board is actually very easy to modify.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=56614.msg1166122#msg1166122
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2013, 02:31:19 PM »

UPDATE:

Pulled the bulb out..

Worked great. then took it on the freeway, and blew the fuse (7.5). Replaced fuse and blew again.

when blown, I lost tail light and all instrument / signal.

Still had Headlight and brake light.

I will check all wiring this week.

Thanks


You've got bare wiring somewhere.
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