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JHP Ducati 2V SBK 1088 cc (120 hp, 300lb)

Started by junior varsity, February 16, 2011, 05:55:31 AM

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Raux

#45
February 19, 2011, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 18, 2011, 11:56:52 AM
Frame/swingarm, and tank/fairing/seat/tail.  Nothing else needed here.  I was THIS CLOSE to dropping some coin on Kaemna stuff, but would like to hear what you think the "kit" might cost.  Last time I checked on the pierbon frame it was over 4500 alone....and not street legal/no vin.

the F042 is street legal. that's what this bike is based on.

junior varsity

#46
February 19, 2011, 08:52:11 AM
Hmm... They have changed the F042 website - I was going to link to the "track" version which is not street legal, but it has been taken down, it now only lists the F042 "hstreet"

Travman

#47
February 19, 2011, 05:44:26 PM Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 06:26:08 PM by Travman
What do you think about starting with a latest generation SBK with a blown engine?  That way you have your rolling chassis and don't have to worry about your title & registration.  The problem is finding something like that before somebody gets it and parts it out.  


When I see the above picture I want to make a naked bike in the style of Radical Ducati's bikes with a pumped up air-cooled engine, V-Rod headlight, and cool wasp-like tail section.  The tank looks good as is from this angle.

TAftonomos

#48
February 19, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
Thats what I did, although I used a 749R. [thumbsup]

derby

#49
February 19, 2011, 10:50:56 PM Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 11:00:15 PM by derby
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 19, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
Thats what I did, although I used a 749R. [thumbsup]

what was your final weight?

i think the biggest "problem" with a stock roller is expecting it to weigh >100lbs less than a superbike w/o the radiator. add to that pairing it w/ a less powerful motor, and it seems like a fun, but ultimately disappointing (performance-wise) , project.
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Raux

#50
February 20, 2011, 02:17:38 AM
the 749 era bike is heavier than the 848 era bike if I remember right.

ducpainter

#51
February 20, 2011, 04:41:26 AM
Quote from: Raux on February 20, 2011, 02:17:38 AM
the 749 era bike is heavier than the 848 era bike if I remember right.


A lot of that weight was lost in the engine cases.
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zooom

#52
February 20, 2011, 06:25:50 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 04:41:26 AM
A lot of that weight was lost in the engine cases.

true, but there was a minimal drop in the frame weight, because I seem to recall it being a thinner walled tube, IIRC....
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ducpainter

#53
February 20, 2011, 06:34:40 AM
Quote from: zooom on February 20, 2011, 06:25:50 AM
true, but there was a minimal drop in the frame weight, because I seem to recall it being a thinner walled tube, IIRC....
Isn't the intent to get a 2V bike close to the weight of the JHP bike?

I don't think that will happen using a stock frame of any era unless other drastic weight saving measures are employed.

As you get closer to the 300 lb number it gets harder...and more expensive.
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zooom

#54
February 20, 2011, 06:37:13 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 06:34:40 AM
Isn't the intent to get a 2V bike close to the weight of the JHP bike?

I don't think that will happen using a stock frame of any era unless other drastic weight saving measures are employed.

As you get closer to the 300 lb number it gets harder...and more expensive.

very true...and the materials used in the F042 frame as well as others is a lighter material to start with...
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junior varsity

#55
February 20, 2011, 08:07:09 AM
Yeah, I was going to mention that the pierobon frame is lighter, as are NCR frames, the Alu frame shown on Motowheels, and the carbon frame from Bike Research.

TAftonomos

#56
February 21, 2011, 06:22:16 PM Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 06:25:11 PM by TAftonomos
I'll be happy to get to 340lbs with what I'm spending.

The goal at this point is to get it on the road/track, and develop it as I go.  Since I don't have anywhere near an unlimited budget, I want to prove a concept (for myself) before I invest a boatload of money to make it super light.

No point in me spending 5-6K in lightweight stuff when I might not have another 2-3k to make it actually run....then I end up with a bunch of cool parts sitting on a non-running bike.

This way, I've got the bike, it runs, runs well, and I can "add lightness" as my budget will allow (BST's, CMC rotors, monocoque seat, etc.).  If I could give up budgeting for the multi or dievel (oh god..I have to ride it before I buy the mts1200), I think I could run out and snag every cool part off the shelf.  Still, I want a new bike, and that multi has had my mind wrapped around it in a big way for a long time.

decisions decisions....MTS1200, ride all day everyday.  Or 2v sbk, wear myself out after 3 hours riding in the mountains.....

ducpainter

#57
February 21, 2011, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 21, 2011, 06:22:16 PM
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decisions decisions....MTS1200, ride all day everyday.  Or 2v sbk, wear myself out after 3 hours riding in the mountains.....
Maybe the gym is in order... ;D
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TAftonomos

#58
February 21, 2011, 06:36:55 PM Last Edit: February 21, 2011, 06:38:41 PM by TAftonomos
Not so much the gym.....being 6'5" has many advantages.  Fitting correctly for extended periods on time on a SBK anything isn't one of them :D


No final weight at this point Derby....I haven't got all the bits on the thing yet  [thumbsup]

junior varsity

#59
February 21, 2011, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 21, 2011, 06:22:16 PM

No point in me spending 5-6K in lightweight stuff when I might not have another 2-3k to make it actually run....then I end up with a bunch of cool parts sitting on a non-running bike.


i see what you did there, with the invisible finger pointing! Touche'
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