JHP Ducati 2V SBK 1088 cc (120 hp, 300lb)

[junior varsity]

I agree - its an unfortunate "keeping up with the joneses" where one manufacturer starts weighing them with no gas, another follows suit, the third ups the ante by draining the oil too, then they are doing more of the same: omitting the battery, filling the tires with helium, putting washers under the scale plate.

[TAftonomos]

No offense intended Dolph, but if you believe you can fully take advantage of what a 1098r has to offer, you either are delirious, or should be actively racing (and winning).

The 2vsbk (for me) is to have fun building something as light as I can on a reasonable budget that will give me a fun track/mountain toy as well. At the current rate it's going, I'll have about as much into it as a used 848, while hopefully being a ton more fun. At least at my level of riding

[Cider]

I can't speak for Dolph, but I think he was saying he appreciates the additional performance, not that he can use every last iota of it.

I'm quicker on a 600 than an SV, but there are guys on both that can leave me for dead

[junior varsity]

you forget about sentimental value / sweat equity.   that more than makes the difference in price put in versus performance extracted to me.

[thought]

you forget about sentimental value / sweat equity.   that more than makes the difference in price put in versus performance extracted to me.

was just about to post this as the main reason to do a bike like this too...

nothing quite makes you appreciate something as much as putting the blood/sweat/tears into it yourself.

of course, it makes it also virtually impossible to let go when/if you ever need to too

[junior varsity]

Easy to sell a bike that you simply bought and rode for awhile. If you have to polish and massage a turd to get it to run, and are successful in such a venture, it becomes part of the family. And selling it is rarely a good deal financially - you'll never get out what you put into one over the years... It becomes somewhat like guns, you always regret selling one. (only with guns, you get nearly what you paid for it when you do sell it)


i put a lot of time and busted knuckles into my Monster. I'm doing the same with this fixxer-upper M900, and the project is just that: Something that *I* built (sure, using the plans and designs of a manufacturer essentially, but i did it!) for me. There's something more in that to me. Even if it is slower for the same dollar, and doesn't come with a warranty.

[DoubleEagle]

The manufacturers are very optimistic about their weight and hp/torque ratings.  I like Motorcycle Consumer News because they do their own measurements. They have an 2008 1098S listed at 434 lbs wet with 138 rwhp.
http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2010JanIndex.pdf

My 1098 R may not weigh exactly 363 dry just because Ducati says it does.....but

I can tell you this.

A 1098 R was Dynoed w,a Dynojet 250 w, the Full race Termignoni Exhaust and DP ECU which is what I have on mine at 176 RWHP I was told in '09 by the Ducshop.

Also, the 1098 R has the Front brakes to stop a Freight Train !

Dolph     [moto]

[DoubleEagle]

No offense intended Dolph, but if you believe you can fully take advantage of what a 1098r has to offer, you either are delirious, or should be actively racing (and winning).

Sure, I can't ride it like Troy could ride it ....but there are times when I have the throttle wide open.

That's when it's worth the price of admission...when it's accelerating so hard I can barely hold on !

85 mph -125 mph on 2 lane country roads... I'd say is a pretty fair pace , especially w, lots of corners.

I'm even faster on my S 1000 RR.

That bike out handles the 1098 R.   

Dolph      [moto]

[junior varsity]

boo the blasphemer!

[Monsterlover]

Burn him!

[Statler]

Say ten hail marrys and do a tack day and the mob will put down the pitchforks.

[junior varsity]

what? i will not waste a good, already lit torch just because he mumbles for a few minutes!

[DoubleEagle]

boo the blasphemer!

Variety...the spice of Life  !

Hey a m, it handles better than the " R " ....is pretty much as quick as the " R "....the " R " is faster in the the 1st 3 gears, ...but the S 1000 RR will out run the " R " on the top end.

It only cost $17 K for all the 180 + RWHP, handling, electronics,( traction control, ABS ) adjustable forks and shock, brembos and BMW reliability plus a 3 year warranty.

They are both a BLAST  !

Dolph   [moto]   

[junior varsity]

burn the heretic!

that said, the bmw is pretty appealing. suppose the guy who designed the left side ever met the guy who designed the right side?     only having fun at the Bavarian's expense.... we can resume scheduled programming (since Dolph didn't build his own S1000RR!)

[Greg]

Variety...the spice of Life  !

Dolph   [moto]   

Burn him 
 
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