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696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 07:49:14 AM »
Designing a bracket that will hold battery and ECU after removing the airbox to run open filters/stacks. We will post images of the design shortly. I am curious how many people would be interested in joining us for this purchase as it is quite cheaper per unit to have more made. At about 20 units, the price per unit would be well under $100. Feedback and thoughts are appreciated.
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Re: Gauging Interest: Fuel Management Mount/Airbox Eliminator Bracket
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February 23, 2011, 09:35:53 AM »
Who is "we"?
See if you can post up which v-stacks and pod filter size you are looking to use, which PC module you plan on using, the material for the bracketry you expect to make, etc.
I don't have a 696, (or the other two either) currently, but I am interested in knowing if something is out there to suggest to friends trying to accomodate such devices as well as things for bikes I might have in the garage in the future.
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks
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February 23, 2011, 12:28:22 PM »
My buddy and myself are designing it in CAD and having them professionally machined. Material will be 1/8" aluminum appropriate to the application (still deciding on material choice).
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 01:29:08 PM »
if you are going to have them machined, why not offer a CF version.
also, the option say for a small LIon battery cell.
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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Quote from: 2-Skinny on February 23, 2011, 07:49:14 AM
Designing a bracket that will hold battery and ECU after removing the airbox to run open filters/stacks. We will post images of the design shortly. I am curious how many people would be interested in this as it is quite cheaper per unit to have more made. At about 20 units, the price per unit would be well under $100. Feedback and thoughts are appreciated.
...and before you start selling them here you'll contact us about sponsorship...
right?
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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Just to clarify. 2-Skinny(ryan) and I are trying to design this bracket together. We are long time friends and have grown up working on cars and just in the last couple of years, motorcycles, together. He has helped me with a lot of my projects on my own bike, and I have helped him on his.
This is not to make money, or anything like that. Basically, I want pod filters on my 696, really really really bad. However, as we know, no company makes the necessary hardware to install them(or wont sell to us Americans). The bracket is necessary to move the ECU, battery, and other components.
So we decided to make a bracket ourselves. However, due to the cost to machine parts, its cheaper to make several units, as opposed to just a single unit. So, for instance, it would cost approx. $250 to make one bracket. But if I were to order 10 brackets to be made it might cost $50 per unit.The initial cost might be much more, but the per unit cost is way way less.
Because of this, we decided to see who would want one of these brackets. The more people, the cheaper they are. If no one would want to order one, then I will sit patiently and wait for some company to release them, or bite the bullet and have one made just for me.
The idea was to share the wealth with these, and hopefully people will want to take part. Not to make money or try to promote a business or anything, just to get some brackets at a decent price so new monster owners could install pod filters.
Secondly, the bracket can be made of any material. Steel, stainless steel, carbon fiber, aluminum, etc. If it can be machines, or shaped, we could have it made. However, with the materials, the price changes.
You could order any pod filter setup that you desired(Ducshop velocity stacks or TPO beast, or any others out there), use this bracket to move the ECU and battery, and then have it all installed.
Here is a rough, and I mean very rough image of what we are looking at producing.
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 05:50:59 PM »
huh. so if you buy in bulk, you can get it at a lower unit price.
don't look now, but i think somebody is on to your business plans...
and if that wasn't bad enough, somebody is copying them!
better play your cards a little closer to the table, everyone! There be spies among us!
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 06:04:16 PM »
i think its a great idea, but doesnt the tpo beast and others come with said bracket? i agree, the setup from the Aussies is very expensive, tpo is a bit better, but just the bracket alone, how much in the long run is someone going to save?
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 06:09:21 PM »
Quote from: DoWorkSon on February 23, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
Just to clarify. 2-Skinny(ryan) and I are trying to design this bracket together. We are long time friends and have grown up working on cars and just in the last couple of years, motorcycles, together. He has helped me with a lot of my projects on my own bike, and I have helped him on his.
This is not to make money, or anything like that. Basically, I want pod filters on my 696, really really really bad. However, as we know, no company makes the necessary hardware to install them(or wont sell to us Americans). The bracket is necessary to move the ECU, battery, and other components.
So we decided to make a bracket ourselves. However, due to the cost to machine parts, its cheaper to make several units, as opposed to just a single unit. So, for instance, it would cost approx. $250 to make one bracket. But if I were to order 10 brackets to be made it might cost $50 per unit.The initial cost might be much more, but the per unit cost is way way less.
Because of this, we decided to see who would want one of these brackets. The more people, the cheaper they are. If no one would want to order one, then I will sit patiently and wait for some company to release them, or bite the bullet and have one made just for me.
The idea was to share the wealth with these, and hopefully people will want to take part. Not to make money or try to promote a business or anything, just to get some brackets at a decent price so new monster owners could install pod filters.
Secondly, the bracket can be made of any material. Steel, stainless steel, carbon fiber, aluminum, etc. If it can be machines, or shaped, we could have it made. However, with the materials, the price changes.
You could order any pod filter setup that you desired(Ducshop velocity stacks or TPO beast, or any others out there), use this bracket to move the ECU and battery, and then have it all installed.
Here is a rough, and I mean very rough image of what we are looking at producing.
I'm going by the numbers your
business
partner posted.
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 06:23:26 PM »
Quote from: DucatiTorrey on February 23, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
i think its a great idea, but doesnt the tpo beast and others come with said bracket? i agree, the setup from the Aussies is very expensive, tpo is a bit better, but just the bracket alone, how much in the long run is someone going to save?
No, not for the new monster. TPO was supposed to be in making one, but I have not hear a thing yet about it. The last I heard was "in a few weeks" and that was a few months ago. The aussies arent selling their setup, and they have yet to email me back stating if they would sell just the bracket or were planning on selling their kit anytime soon.
The alternative I found was to........ just build it myself.
Just using rough approximate numbers, to produce just one bracket would cost about $270. I plugged the numbers in and to produce just 10, with the design I have now, would cost about $40(and thats with shipping) per unit.
I am assuming setup costs and time to have the machinery configured to make the part is a majority of the cost. Once everything is in place though, it's mainly cost of material.
Like said before, this is just to gauge interest. If there is none, Ill make it just for me, but if people wanna get in on it, then it can be relatively cheap
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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February 23, 2011, 06:38:19 PM »
thin aluminum, I'm not sure about. Aluminum, depending on the grade can get brittle after a few bends typically.
I'm intrigued, but need to know more about materials and insurance against defect (such as breaking from bumps jarring it)
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Quote from: mattc7 on February 23, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
thin aluminum, I'm not sure about. Aluminum, depending on the grade can get brittle after a few bends typically.
I'm intrigued, but need to know more about materials and insurance against defect (such as breaking from bumps jarring it)
Any material can be used. If we wanted to get expensive we could use carbon fiber, but I'm guessing steel or ss will be the best material. Strong and cheap. Just heavier.
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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Quote from: DoWorkSon on February 23, 2011, 06:23:26 PM
No, not for the new monster. TPO was supposed to be in making one, but I have not hear a thing yet about it. The last I heard was "in a few weeks" and that was a few months ago. The aussies arent selling their setup, and they have yet to email me back stating if they would sell just the bracket or were planning on selling their kit anytime soon.
The alternative I found was to........ just build it myself.
Just using rough approximate numbers, to produce just one bracket would cost about $270. I plugged the numbers in and to produce just 10, with the design I have now, would cost about $40(and thats with shipping) per unit.
I am assuming setup costs and time to have the machinery configured to make the part is a majority of the cost. Once everything is in place though, it's mainly cost of material.
Like said before, this is just to gauge interest. If there is none, Ill make it just for me, but if people wanna get in on it, then it can be relatively cheap
right but i was curious about everything, a bracket is great, but what do i do about the filters and intakes. I did hear from TPO recently, they said springs for the 696
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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Quote from: DucatiTorrey on February 23, 2011, 06:53:27 PM
right but i was curious about everything, a bracket is great, but what do i do about the filters and intakes. I did hear from TPO recently, they said springs for the 696
tpo, ducshop. the stacks are all the same (one fitment, different product/dimensions)
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Re: 696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK
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Quote from: mattc7 on February 23, 2011, 07:18:04 PM
tpo, ducshop. the stacks are all the same (one fitment, different product/dimensions)
Yeah, per TPO their stacks will fit/work on the 696/796/1100, just no bracket
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