696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK

[2-Skinny]

This bracket would allow you to eliminate the airbox and hold the battery once that has been removed.  Thinking about it now, steel probably would be easiest, though the aluminum we were spec'ing to use would be strong enough.  What you do after eliminating the airbox would be up to you- either run stacks with filters, stacks alone, or just attach filters.  There are lots of companies (Ducati specific or otherwise) that sell velocity stacks and filters of various designs.  This would allow you to build your own kit so to speak, at quite a substantial savings as well.

[ungeheuer]

Guys I like your approach.  Cant buy one.  Bugger it, make my own  .  

I think WASP is screwed - their kit (which I have as many of you already know) is the complete deal, great quality and well thought out.  But its also pretty spendy.  And with the rise and rise of the Mighty Aussie Dollar vs your embattled Greenbacks.... the already high price just keeps climbing.  So even if they could get their act together... the export price would IMO make it too pricey.  Great product, but they missed their window.  Gotta be a lesson there  .  Anyway I digress.....

So back to your plans.  You're right - make a decent quality bracket to support the ECU and battery holder etc and the rest can be cherry-picked on an individual basis.  

I'm going by the numbers your business partner posted.

Give 'em a break DP - it looks like a "who's in to split the costs" deal rather than a Get Rich by marketing for free on the DMF scam.  Just saying   .

[DucatiTorrey]

Yeah, per TPO their stacks will fit/work on the 696/796/1100, just no bracket

oh i see. well keep us updated with cad images and prototypes

[ducpainter]

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 Give 'em a break DP - it looks like a "who's in to split the costs" deal rather than a Get Rich by marketing for free on the DMF scam.  Just saying   .

Here's the deal...

The guys that put this thing together and run it on a daily basis have gotten exactly $50 each out of the deal.

These guys are looking to get free parts according to their latest set of numbers. Keep in mind the numbers have changed 3 times so I can't really tell what the plan is.

The rules are simple...if you make money here you share the wealth. It's like that to protect our paying sponsors. Saving money on their own stuff is the same as making money.

I'm not asking that they become full sponsors, but if they can get the savings to over $200/unit  what's wrong with charging an extra $10 and asking they throw a donation at the forum?

[Mhanis]

I'd be interested.

[junior varsity]

Guys I like your approach.  Cant buy one.  Bugger it, make my own  . 

I think WASP is screwed - their kit (which I have as many of you already know) is the complete deal, great quality and well thought out.  But its also pretty spendy.  And with the rise and rise of the Mighty Aussie Dollar vs your embattled Greenbacks.... the already high price just keeps climbing.  So even if they could get their act together... the export price would IMO make it too pricey.  Great product, but they missed their window.  Gotta be a lesson there  .  Anyway I digress.....

So back to your plans.  You're right - make a decent quality bracket to support the ECU and battery holder etc and the rest can be cherry-picked on an individual basis. 

I do wonder about the WASP Works kit - (A) bad idea not to ramp up production and allow worldwide sales, the product could be a financial success for them if they did - it is a global economy afterall. (B) I want to get hold of there v-stacks with the golf-ball dimples (i'm thinking of the right ones, yes?) - while I like the idea, it would be great to test them against the other designs. It is hard to imagine that if there were such an easy improvement to the velocity stack design, we'd have seen it in drag racing years ago, and in factory equipment more recently. Not saying it doesn't work, but why has nobody else tried this relatively old flow technology ...

[junior varsity]

and fwiw, i would not be interested in a steel product, more than likely. it'd have to be over the top nice and skeletonized.

[DoWorkSon]

@Ducpainter
I understand your concern I would gladly throw a donation at the board. However, the numbers I have been throwing out are rough approximates. There is not final design and therefore no final price. I would not be making a dime. I would be shelling out the the same as everyone else. I want this part, and am seeing who else would want one as well. If enough people say "yeah. I want that" then the price could be very low, and we could all walk away with a part some of us need. I am not here to make money, just get the damn bracket made at a decent price. Everyone, including myself, would be paying the same amount for the bracket. I know there is not way to really "trust" that I am not trying to make a product, but if you saw how many emails I have sent to Waspworks, TPO, and Ducshop you would see I am all about getting velocity stacks on my bike, not starting up a business or making $.

@ a m
There has been no final say in the material. It all depends on how many people show interest and what they think would be the best material. I am trying to make this a joint effort for all the members who would like to upgrade to pod filters/velocity stacks so input is welcome. It's a chance for us all to work on a piece of hardware that we all want. But the final product could be annodized, PC, or made of a variety of finishes, and it will be skeletonized as well. The pic I posted is the rough design.

Like Ryan(2-skinny) said, this is just to gauge interest. Nothing is made, it's just a rough sketch on paper and in our heads. We want to see if there is a demand for it, or what members would want to take part in developing it. Sometimes if you want something you gotta take measure into your own hands, and that is what we are doing.

[2-Skinny]

I am curious how a thread gauging interest for what amounts to a group buy has already turned to: "donate to forum" and "you can't make a profit unless you are a sponsor"...

[ducpainter]

I am curious how a thread gauging interest for what amounts to a group buy has already turned to: "donate to forum" and "you can't make a profit unless you are a sponsor"...

Re-read your original post, look at when I originally commented, and then get back to me via pm.

I'd be happy to discuss it with either yourself or DoWorkSon.

[koko64]

I want to get hold of there v-stacks with the golf-ball dimples (i'm thinking of the right ones, yes?) - while I like the idea, it would be great to test them against the other designs. It is hard to imagine that if there were such an easy improvement to the velocity stack design, we'd have seen it in drag racing years ago, and in factory equipment more recently. Not saying it doesn't work, but why has nobody else tried this relatively old flow technology ...

To compare the TPO, Wasp and Ducshop V-stacks would be a good exercise.
We need to get a WASP kit to a m. Unge, any ideas?
Enough with the thread jack, I'll go to another thread.

[junior varsity]

I think it would be a great exercise in flow measurement - do it on the computer, do it in university lab environment, then put 'em on a bike and test 'em again on the dyno.

[DoWorkSon]

I just ordered the duc shop stacks. Will be mocking up the bracket once I get them. So hopefully if the group buy don't work out there at least will be a diy thread in the future.

[junior varsity]

That's unfortunate - though I would need to be able to plan well ahead to contact some folks for good flow testing. Then again, I do spend everyday at the corner of a university, and there is an engineering dept around here somewheres.


Wonder if they are having trouble with lack of capital?  Who knows... but the products in a "coming/returning soon" category often beg such a question.

[mattc7]

im sure no one has a problem adding alittle to the donation pot.  I'ld put a few extra in for it.

My preferences are quality carbon fiber, else a very high quality, strong aluminum. Lastly stamped steel.

You get them done, I'll definitely be interested in the 50-75 range. 

Keep me informed.