M1100 Project Bike

[arrick]

DucatiTorrey _ Yes, it’s the integrated smoked Tail light from Competition Werks.

@lazylightnin717 _ Yes, heavily black with gold accents throughout. Paint will be very Darmah inspired.

@j v _ Good call, I will check into it. Eventually, I will probably give the entire bike the Titanium Bold treatment.

[junior varsity]

Nice. You probably have read this or knew this from before, but you want to double check with the vendor that the bolts' threads are rolled and the heads are forged. If they are neither, demand to pay less since its not as nice as the bolts that have both. The recommended torque values for the titanium bolts is going to be less than what the manual specifies for the steel fasteners, but typically not by much. You *must* use antiseize.  I recomend starting with the big bolts first - axle nuts (can be alu or ti), shock pivot bolts, engine crankcase halves thru-bolts (M8x75 or so bolts - except for the red bolt! that's a special drilled bolt, don't you go and replace that with anything but a special drilled bolt!), the big rearset hanger bolts, caliper mount bolts and on 2-piece calipers - the pinch bolts, axle and triple clamp pinch bolts, and a big one - all the M8 rotor mount bolts!

Baller Bolts has low-head torx M8 bolts for the brake rotor bolts that are the correct head diameter to fit into the rotor carriers that have recessed mount hole 'pockets'. Its like the old school Ducati Performance Titanium brake kits that included 4 ti caliper mount bolts and 12 Ti socket cap low-head rotor bolts, except the Baller Bolts offer them with the Torx style so you are less likely to 'torque-out' and strip the head when installing than with the socket-head style bolts. TPO, similarly, has the button-head style that is on the new era bikes - so cosmetically the profile of the heads of the rotor bolts would be the same.

Speaking of the awesome folks down at TPO, I sent them a spare SS/ST/SC/MR/851/888 swingarm pivot awhile back (unfortunately, it is not the same as the 1100's) for them to take measurements of for cloning out of Titanium so there will be a commercially available replacement for the steel ones - since all that exists out there that I can readily find for direct purchase (rather than commissioning a one-off custom) is the swingarm pivots for the 748-996-998 and 848-1098-1198. TPO makes really bad ass lightweight 7068 front axles - I've got one on my 998-forked Monster, and its been a hoot for the last thousand or so miles. As far as longevity concerns: Its about half the price of a Ti front axle, lighter, and Shift-Tech has had one on their SF project for around/over 7,000mi according to a post on the .MS boards. So no worries there.

Likewise, if you want to get real real real real real real nuts, you can get a SSS rear axle in Ti. Its a big piece though, so expect really really really big dollars involved.  NCR used to make one for the 748-996, so I'm sure its possible to get one done up for the M796/1100 and Hypermotards.

[junior varsity]

the other thing i thought of, and perhaps I missed it - are you using the OEM rear hub/eccentric still? I am not sure whether RAM provides a magnesium eccentric hub with their swingarms or if it takes a proprietary unit, but if yours is still the OEM style, perhaps locating a Magnesium one to replace that is possible. I don't own an M1100 currently, so I've done less looking around at what is out there - quite obvious in my forgetting the suspension setup earlier.. oops - but perhaps there's something out there from Marvic/Marchesini/Febur or direct from RAM.   I've got the 'oem-sized' Febur mag eccentric for my 2v 748 project - the weight savings is noticeable and its unsprung weight at the very end of a lever - so math-wise, the inertia and such make for better traction with weight removed out there.

[BellissiMoto]

J V,

If you ever need a low paying job (but it comes with a great discount!) where you can put your Ducati-moto-knowledge to work, just call me.

[junior varsity]

i'll be moving back to Tennessee at the beginning of August. We'll see how the job market looks in Nashville first. Then I may be giving you a call. I'll certainly be headed your way with frosty brews at some point soon after I move back as I make the rounds.

[mattc7]

the other thing i thought of, and perhaps I missed it - are you using the OEM rear hub/eccentric still? I am not sure whether RAM provides a magnesium eccentric hub with their swingarms or if it takes a proprietary unit, but if yours is still the OEM style, perhaps locating a Magnesium one to replace that is possible. I don't own an M1100 currently, so I've done less looking around at what is out there - quite obvious in my forgetting the suspension setup earlier.. oops - but perhaps there's something out there from Marvic/Marchesini/Febur or direct from RAM.   I've got the 'oem-sized' Febur mag eccentric for my 2v 748 project - the weight savings is noticeable and its unsprung weight at the very end of a lever - so math-wise, the inertia and such make for better traction with weight removed out there.

RAM swingarms are deisgned to use stock hubs, but they DO make mag eccentric hubs too.

same as OEM dimensionally, but stupid light

[junior varsity]

nice! that would be very much worthwhile. On the "2v-SBK" project, I've got an OEM 748-916 hub, and later found a special oem-sized "billet" 748-916 hub - only has 2 teeth to adjust chain tension on it - very odd piece, and then I later found the OEM-sized mag eccentrics. They kind of go in order of lightness, heaviest-to-lightest, in the order I found them too.

[mattc7]

nice! that would be very much worthwhile. On the "2v-SBK" project, I've got an OEM 748-916 hub, and later found a special oem-sized "billet" 748-916 hub - only has 2 teeth to adjust chain tension on it - very odd piece, and then I later found the OEM-sized mag eccentrics. They kind of go in order of lightness, heaviest-to-lightest, in the order I found them too.

I just checked RAM, after posting off memory, and I only see a listing for the 1098 hub.
I know I've seen a hub for the 848 (but don't see it from RAM - same as m1100?). 

[arrick]

What do you guys think about the idea of Ducati bringing back the Monster Challenge this year?

[junior varsity]

i love it. But is it for New Monsters only? If so, thats not 'INclusive' as in "being included in the ducati family/community" but rather "EXclusive" meaning 'all you pre-existing monster owners are excluded from the fun because you haven't bought a new [monster] bike recently'. and that doesn't give people warm-n-fuzzies.

[mattc7]

What do you guys think about the idea of Ducati bringing back the Monster Challenge this year?

I think it would make my wallet cry more than it already does.  

Might push me into starting next winter's plans early.

[mattc7]

i love it. But is it for New Monsters only? If so, thats not 'INclusive' as in "being included in the ducati family/community" but rather "EXclusive" meaning 'all you pre-existing monster owners are excluded from the fun because you haven't bought a new [monster] bike recently'. and that doesn't give people warm-n-fuzzies.

Categories should be made

1.Dual sided swingarm models
2.S2r
3.New Models
4.More custom items, aka motorswaps, and other changes that redefine the concept rather than accenting it. (The 696 - 996motor and desmodevil types here)

Makes everyone involved and gets rid of model biases

[junior varsity]

You cannot create a distinction between the DSS and S*R Models. That is not a fair method of categorization because:

The S4, a DSS, has a 4v motor in it. The S4R and S4Rt/S models also are 4V, but are SSS.
The S2R 800 and 1000 models are 2v powerplants with a SSS, while the M800 and M1000 - sharing the same motor as the S2R versions, but coming out of the factory just a bit earlier, are DSS.  

Do you divide by frame derivation? 2001 and older era, excluding the S4 on the east corner, and 2002 and newer up to 2007, and including the S4 on the west corner, 696/796/1100 in the north corner, and category-defying go in the south corner?

The problem is exacerbated because there are aftermarket kits to convert your DSS Monster into a 916-748-996-998 era swingarmed SSS-model. (Kit also available for old school Supersports too, mind you).   So if I show up with a 1995, 851-888 frame based Monster sporting a 916 era single-sided swingarm and wheel, do I compete with the other DSS models, or the subset of pre-2002 DSS models, or the 2V SSS / S2R model subset, or against the S4R's also, engine categorization be damned?

The answer should be "yes":  Make it "open-class" - or at least award over-all awards regardless of category if there must also be subdivided awards. A "let the people speak" kind of voting. If a crazy custom wins, great research/data gathering for Ducati. If more of type X Monster wins than type Y Monster, well - great research/data gathering for Ducati!  Win/Win.

[DucatiTorrey]

i see your bike made it to Facebook on DNA's page

[desmoworks]

i see your bike made it to Facebook on DNA's page

I would hope his bike could get on there as the Advertising & Brand Manager for Ducati North America

It's coming together