Should Motorcycles have a Speed Limit out in the Boonies ?

[sbrguy]

you are right the autobahn was designed that way.

but you could have higher speeds on intestates especially through kansas.  i couldn't believe how straight and flat that interstate was... through the entire state i don't think i moveed the steering wheel to the left or right.   

[Statler]

Given the Op's accident history posted previously I think my opinion of skilled rider differs from his as (I am assuming here) he believes he's in his category of people for his raised limits.  

   Given his refusal to ever go to the track, I chalk this thread's idea up as complete bullshit bravado that doesn't warrant debate.  

[live2ride]

good point timmy, didn't even think of how bad the road conditions are.
if we take this back to the original post, rural roads aren't exactly known for being gravel-free

in all reality, speed limits should be relative to conditions, which is why you have reduced speed limits in inclement weather.  that only begs the question, who needs to be told not to speed when its snowing?  from all the accidents i've seen with cars flipping off the road this winter, i'd say a surprising amount of people.  

so let's just agree that everyone on this board is an awesome driver/rider (to his/her own definition) but everyones else sucks and thus we must all follow rules that were created to protect the ignorant.

it was actually very amusing to drive through asia this past summer (china/korea).  I know a lot of people think drivers in the US are bad but they are nothing compared to the Chinese/Koreans.  The funny thing is I didn't see many accidents at all.  Of course i wasn't exactly touring the highways, but I did travel by car/bus quite often.  My best guess as to why there may be less accidents is that there are SO many bad drivers that more people are alert and aware.  You have to be if you want to stay alive I suppose.  US drivers (i for one) get too comfortable, especially in my car.  This is definitely one of the reasons I enjoy the bike so much.  You are fully aware of your environment and there are much less distractions.

[Timmy Tucker]

Given the Op's accident history posted previously I think my opinion of skilled rider differs from his as (I am assuming here) he believes he's in his category of people for his raised limits.  

   Given his refusal to ever go to the track, I chalk this thread's idea up as complete bullshit bravado that doesn't warrant debate.  

 

I appreciate someone who gets right to the point.

[DoubleEagle]

Given the Op's accident history posted previously I think my opinion of skilled rider differs from his as (I am assuming here) he believes he's in his category of people for his raised limits.  

   Given his refusal to ever go to the track, I chalk this thread's idea up as complete bullshit bravado that doesn't warrant debate.  

Funny Chris,.....I rode all of last year mostly on my new S 1000 RR and the 1098 R , arguably the 2 fastest superbikes on the planet.

I rode each time like I was on a mission from God....I attacked the roads I rode on w, not a single drop...so yes I believe that now qualifies me to be in the group of motorcyclists I described in my opening post as far as skill.

My 6000 miles of road racing through the hills and forests is testament to me anyway to my ability to call myself a skilled rider now.

Dolph

[duccarlos]

Take it to the track where if you decide to die you won't take anyone with you. I would love to see the excuses why you don't take your "arguably the 2 fastest superbikes on the planet" to exactly the place where those 2 bikes should be ridden.

[Raux]

Dolph-

if we get something together this summer in Europe... wanna ship a bike over and ride here?

[zooom]

but seriuolsy i see where all the points of view are, the problem like zoom says this is not feasible in the USA, he is already of the view saying LEO won't agree with you, but already he is of the mindset of that you should only be doing this at the track and it appears he is set in his ways, he didn't consider if they made this a law like on the german autobahn that it shoud be ok then.

1ST OFF...if a LEO has already pulled you over, he is by some measure already in disagreement with you and what you are doing...which starts you off on the wrong side of any kind of situation where you are subjected to his discretion....

2ND-ly...this isn't Germany or Europe or Japan where people actually pay exorbinant amounts for to have a liscence and vehicle and thereby appreciate the priviledge granted by operating a vehicle on the roadways, regardless of speed....and they are all generally capable for to do so and held responsible when they don't do it right or legally...unlike here in the USA where people are less skilled, and treat their liscence and vehicle entitlement like it is a god given right, hence why they run others off the road...

3rd...I am not saying the track is THE place to be as a 100% rule...but since you want to try and put words in my mouth as to my opinions...let me elaborate...since we are talking about Dolph here, I am going to use him further...he has on previous instances exclaimed here on this board of his exploits pushing triple digit #'s on public roadways...he has also turned down invitations from people like various Flounders here for to show up to the track...and for whatever reasons, Dolph doesn't seem to engage in those offers and chooses to keep on pushing his limitations on our roadways....and now has started a thread with the intention to try and get some level of support or justification for his very illegal exploits....now I ask you this....are you 100% on his side in placating his ego and recklessness?

4th...I will freely admit, I am not guiltless...I know on certain roads or regular routes I have ridden, there are a few roads where I push my limits or extend past the speed limits...and yes...in addition, I also go to the track where I really push further and think that is the place for to really push the kinds of eveloped edges that Dolph freely admits to pushing on the streets

[duccarlos]

I will only comment on zooom's 4th point. I too have to admit that I have pushed the limit a bit on the street, specifically in the mountains of Georgia. But at the same time, I understood the consequences. It seems others here do not understand those consequences. If you want no limit speed, move to Europe or take it to the track. SImple as that.

[JEFF_H]

Didnt last very long in Montana

[Raux]

Zooom takes about something is critical in any decision about public safety.
Education- Germany takes driver education and driver responsibility very seriously. Everyone has to take classroom courses, hours or in car driving/motorcycle riding with a car instructor connected via bluetooth, etc. Everything is scrutinized, and simply getting in the car and failing to check mirrors, put on seatbelt... in the proper order on somethings... WILL FAIL you and you will not be able to drive. OH, and to retake... you have to pay for more.

in the states, IF you are in highschool, and i think it's an elective, driver education is a small course. you are given a learners permit which allows you to drive with an adult that has NO teaching requirements. And if you aren't in school, you take a written exam and a short roadtest that's a joke.

Which driver would you want driving at 100 mph next to you, or for that matter coming towards you?

Leave the speed limits in the states intact until the education levels come up. Until getting a license costs you more than a grand and includes hundreds of hours of training.

[dark_duc]

I lived and drove in Germany for 4 years and was actually surprised at how regulated the speed actually was.  The autobahn was speed regulated through all city/residential areas and restrictions were only lifted between towns/exit ramps (in Bavaria anyways).  The back roads were regulated and they would even set up the handy little portable speed traps and you would recieve a nice little ticket in the mail. 

My opinion is for the US, there should always be speed limits.  If the rules changed more and more teens would die.  Alot allready do but at least the speed limit exists and could sway some to drive within the law.  My hope is that if Johny Lawman catches me doing 30 over on some isolated road, I would be let off with a "slow down buddy" and be on my way...but doubtful.

[sbrguy]

all of this is a moot point.

since it will NEVER happen in the states EVER.

1. increased education? never will happen.

2. american's admitting that they need more education with driving? never will happen, see rule 1 above, we can't waste time for that we have to text and talk while driving, sheesh

3. speed as much as you want, its only an illegal violation if a LEO can prove that you are speeding in a court of law, but you have to deal with any consequences.  

the real question should be, should there be penalties for breaking laws when there has been no harm done in breaking the law?

example you go 100mph on a 50mph road and there is nobody else around at all, nobody gets hurt, no accidents happen should you be given a ticket for breaking a law that is meant for public safety when there is no "public" around and the safety of the public was never in danger because there wasn't a "public" exist at that moment in time?

of course you can play "what if" all you want, but you can do that with anything in life that isn't the question here,.

[Jarvicious]

I agree with Raux.  As adults (well, most of us ) we can choose to tear ass around the back country roads whenever and wherever we feel and choose to ignore the posted speed limit signs.  Leo, in turn, can choose to haul us away in hand cuffs whenever or wherever they see fit. 

I grew up in the USSR of Illinois where they actually mandated a full one semester class of drivers education before we could even graduate high school.  This allowed us (as someone already said) to get our permits at the age of 15, provided we were always in the car with a parent or guardian.  Even then we still have a high incident rate which could be attributed to poor habits picked up from adults (do as I say, not as I do) poor quality classroom education, or even the piss poor road conditions (thanks Idot).  So, despite all the classroom education and supervised beginners driving, they still drive like complete jackasses over there.

Unless we seriously beef up our driver's education system, there is no need for a speed limit increase.  Not unless we want the fatality rate to increase anyway. 

[Punx Clever]

How about this then?

I'm of the opinion that in very rural , less populated areas w, light traffic , Motorcycles  Cars should be able to ride drive as fast as the weather and their skill level permits wearing ATGATT seatbelts.

That wonderfull spoiled little teen-age brat driving daddy's prosche, crossing over the center in blind curves has just as good of an argument as you do.