Should Motorcycles have a Speed Limit out in the Boonies ?

[Raux]

Sorry Jerry,

 I don't go much more than 100 miles in any one direction.

Dolph     

well technically if an airport is less than 100 miles from you.. you don't ride over... there is an ocean you know

[DoubleEagle]

How about this then?

That wonderfull spoiled little teenage brat driving daddy's porsche, crossing over the center in blind curves has just as good of an argument as you do.

I find it hard, as a person who has owned 13 Porsches in my lifetime , to have EVER imagined driving one of the 911s like I ride my bikes.

I know a person should be safer in a car , but I feel much safer at high speeds on a curvy road on a bike.

I guess it's because I've done a lot of studying on the subject and gone out and practiced 2 or 3 times a week for the past 3 years until I feel that I sort a " get it " now.

It's not that expensive to take your bike out and ride it.

To take a Porsche out and run it hard through a 150 miles of country roads 3 times a week you are going to have some serioius maintenance bills plus the fear of binning a $100,000 plus car would weigh heavy on MY mind.

 If the teenager actually HAS the skills to drive a Porsche at higher speeds on country roads ..than yes let them enjoy the car but....

My problem w, that scenario is the mind of a teenager and their maturity and ability to make rational decisions that aren't driven by hormones and a lack of maturity.

There are some very young race car drivers in some very fast cars so if a person has been exposed to a race environment since early childhood , they probably would be more mature like Elena Myers , a young girl who won here 1st professional motorcycle  road race at age 15 this past Summer in CA.

She could be trusted in my mind to be at least riding a bike on a country road at any speed she wanted to ride.

 I guess there will never be an consensus opinion on my original idea.

Yes it's probably a very bad idea .

So, those of you , and you know who you are , you just keep on riding the way you have been riding .

As for me, I'll probably be slowing down ...just like my metabolism.

[DoubleEagle]

well technically if an airport is less than 100 miles from you.. you don't ride over... there is an ocean you know

I gave up flying ( in planes ) years ago after a near death experience.

Landing w, another Plane on the runway.

Plus , ( no offense to you ) but I have no desire to travel anymore.

I'll soon be 62 ... I have serious health issues, I'm lucky to be able to ride a bike,...I can't walk more than 100 feet on the level.

The day one of my bikes breaks I just better be close to a tree w, leaves for shade and cell phone reception.

Dolph   

[DoubleEagle]

 
 


 from crashing solo....twice?

 

The 2nd time wasn't my fault...I didn't get cited by the Patroman that investigated the crash.

The same thing almost happened to Kopf's riding buddy the other day w, the Pickup.

Dolph

[kopfjäger]

The 2nd time wasn't my fault...I didn't get cited by the Patroman that investigated the crash.

The same thing almost happened to Kopf's riding buddy the other day w, the Pickup.

Dolph

Cited or not, the grave stone doesn't read, if the other guy would have done...........

[DoubleEagle]

I think a better idea than no speed limits in rural areas would be lower fines in certain circumstances.  For example, getting caught doing 30 MPH over the speed limit in a 25MPH school zone in town...should get your license torn up.  But getting nicked for 85 (on one wheel) in a 55 MPH zone on some empty country back road...the cop should laugh a little and give you a $50 ticket. 

Another way to say it...I've seen an open country road ahead of me where I could see a few miles ahead.  No cross streets, no traffic, no animals (just empty cornfields), solid good pavement...so I'm not being a jerk nor a danger to myself or anyone else if I open it up to 140 for a few moments.  That is safer, and should thus be a lower penalty, than some idiot wheelying at 60MPH down a busy city street.

Make sense?

Mike

Yes Mike, it makes sense to me.

Now how about the other 7752 members on this Forum ?

Dolph

[zooom]

Sorry Jerry,

 I don't go much more than 100 miles in any one direction.

Dolph     

is there that many miles between Starbucks stops for you?

  If the teenager actually HAS the skills to drive a Porsche at higher speeds on country roads ..than yes let them enjoy the car but....

you are now making a different subject about things by saying there has to be a skillset....you started this off by asking for allowance to exceed what is currently set as legal for justification when you are out riding like an asshole...allowances or permissions have nothing to do with skillsets...and the minute you make something like this legal...you make it legal for any and every moron who has a liscence regardless of skills, from the kid with the Porsche to the squid on the Zuke....and it is absolutely not something you can make exclusive to bikes only unless you want to make things like the motorcycle checkpoints discussed in the other thread legal for to discriminate...it has to be for all vehicles or none...period...and quite frankly...it is an absolutely lurid idea of yours this whole thing is due to your lack of thinking for people other than yourself...so when you come out of your fantasy zone of self centered-ness on this whole idea and realize there are a lot more people on the roadways worth considering aside from you...you might start to make some level of progress!

[zooom]

The 2nd time wasn't my fault...I didn't get cited by the Patroman that investigated the crash.

 

WRONG!...it is your fault...cited or not...you had control of YOUR throttle and brakes and were doing so without giving yourself some marginal room for error...just like Nate admitting responsibility for his wreck on the track...or anyone else who is driving their machine...as they assume control, they assume the responsibility...for risk, damage and anything else...responsilibility is a mutha fugga so just accept it..own it...be it...

[gregrnel]

 Would you want to be on a road (on a bicycle, car, suv, motorcycle, etc) with an 18 year old on a 600cc Japanese sportbike without a speed limit? ABSOLUTELY NOT! A cyclist can still kill someone in a car.

[Raux]

Yes Mike, it makes sense to me.

Now how about the other 7752 members on this Forum ?

Dolph

this is somewhat like it is here.

a 30kph over in the city zone is 30day suspension
but outside the city zone it goes up to 40kph

makes sense that the road dictates the fine, not the speed

[akmnstr]

Keeping mind that this is just a discussion and isn't going to change a thing in the real world I propose the following. 
1. That I be allowed to ride how ever the hell I feel like on any country road.  I will decide what constitutes a safe road to speed on. 
2.  I will be the one to certify others as qualified to ride their bikes fast on country roads and on which roads they do so.  Each approved person will sign a legal waiver and contribute $500 to my retirement fund. 
3.  Those twits that speed on the country road in front of my house will be stopped and will be punished as follows: $500 contribution to my retirement fund for first offense, $500 contribution plus the removal of one testicle for the second offense.  Offender pays for removal or we do it locally, barnyard style. 3rd offense the offender has remaining testicle removed and pays $1000 to my retirement fund.  4th offense costs a tallywacker.   

[zooom]

Keeping mind that this is just a discussion and isn't going to change a thing in the real world I propose the following. 
1. That I be allowed to ride how ever the hell I feel like on any country road.  I will decide what constitutes a safe road to speed on. 
2.  I will be the one to certify others as qualified to ride their bikes fast on country roads and on which roads they do so.  Each approved person will sign a legal waiver and contribute $500 to my retirement fund. 
3.  Those twits that speed on the country road in front of my house will be stopped and will be punished as follows: $500 contribution to my retirement fund for first offense, $500 contribution plus the removal of one testicle for the second offense.  Offender pays for removal or we do it locally, barnyard style. 3rd offense the offender has remaining testicle removed and pays $1000 to my retirement fund.  4th offense costs a tallywacker.   

 

[DoubleEagle]

is there that many miles between Starbucks stops for you?

you are now making a different subject about things by saying there has to be a skillset....you started this off by asking for allowance to exceed what is currently set as legal for justification when you are out riding like an asshole...allowances or permissions have nothing to do with skillsets...and the minute you make something like this legal...you make it legal for any and every moron who has a liscence regardless of skills, from the kid with the Porsche to the squid on the Zuke....and it is absolutely not something you can make exclusive to bikes only unless you want to make things like the motorcycle checkpoints discussed in the other thread legal for to discriminate...it has to be for all vehicles or none...period...and quite frankly...it is an absolutely lurid idea of yours this whole thing is due to your lack of thinking for people other than yourself...so when you come out of your fantasy zone of self centered-ness on this whole idea and realize there are a lot more people on the roadways worth considering aside from you...you might start to make some level of progress!

If you go back and read my original post you'll find that I specifically stipulate that my whole premise is based on mainly the fact that the Motorcycle rider MUST possess the skills to support the ability to ride at higher speeds and take into consideration all situations( that would be weather, road conditions, bike condition,traffic,and riders mental state at the time of riding ),

I would not include car ,trucks or any other vehicles simply due to the nature of the complexity and variations of those vehicles and they would only add more traffic to the roads which would mean more accidents and deaths.

Skilled Motorcyclists go out daily and ride above the speed limits as it is now. Most won't come on here and admit it as I have but I've seen the videos, read the stories, known the riders.

There is a Forum I am a member of that has a 4 page thread about Should Police Chase Motorcyles. Very interesting stuff from both the members and the Police.

So it is obviously going on , the speeding part.


So I was merely talking the Pulse of this Forum about an idea ...and just about everyone goes ballistic.

Tell me you haven't tried to see how fast your bike would go !

Tell me that on some Canyon sweeper you didn't get up to 100 mph !

Tell me in the twisties you don't exceed the speed limit !

Dolph

[zooom]

If you go back and read my original post you'll find that I specifically stipulate that my whole premise is based on mainly the fact that the Motorcycle rider MUST possess the skills to support the ability to ride at higher speeds and take into consideration all situations( that would be weather, road conditions, bike condition,traffic,and riders mental state at the time of riding ),

by what means does said measure of skill get determined by?

I would not include car ,trucks or any other vehicles simply due to the nature of the complexity and variations of those vehicles and they would only add more traffic to the roads which would mean more accidents and deaths.

by virtue of how ALL DOT statutes are written, unless you are exempting out vehicle of a GVW over excess of 25,000 lbs, you have to be able to do all in said statute or not at all...we have had the AMA working hard for our rights as motorcyclists to keep from being segregated or singled out and now you want to do exactly that?

There is a Forum I am a member of that has a 4 page thread about Should Police Chase Motorcyles. Very interesting stuff from both the members and the Police.

you talking about BARF?...they talk about and argue about anything if they can...so what...

Skilled Motorcyclists go out daily and ride above the speed limits as it is now. Most won't come on here and admit it as I have but I've seen the videos, read the stories, known the riders.

So it is obviously going on , the speeding part.


So I was merely talking the Pulse of this Forum about an idea ...and just about everyone goes ballistic.

Tell me you haven't tried to see how fast your bike would go !

Tell me that on some Canyon sweeper you didn't get up to 100 mph !

Tell me in the twisties you don't exceed the speed limit !

Dolph

who put you in charge of the board for taking pulses?...most people when doing something like that would simply deliniate the options very clearly with a poll....that you did not...you started a discussion for which you are not the winner of because you can't come up with concise answers to the VERY valid points being brought up against your idea...and you are reading it as people going ballistic when in reality it is all views that are so outside of you scope that you just aren't sure of the best way to respond or react...I am not even going to tell you that I haven't topped a bike out or exceeded speed limits on a roadway of many varying types ( though I do not and have not done 100MPH in a canyon)...I have and I do so within a relative pace...like within 15-20MPH over that limit if it is a road I know and/or am comfortable with and have used a 4 lane empty highway to see what the top speed of my bike was and then back down to a normal pace...but it isn't a regular occurance for me, unlike what you say that you are often doing....which makes me think of how you are being selfish when you are riding like an asshole regularly pushing those limits beyond your controls for margins of error

[DoubleEagle]

by what means does said measure of skill get determined by?   I guess may be it would be better left as it is...those with the skills will just keep riding their way, while the rest of the motorcycle riders ride their way ...let the  sort it out.

by virtue of how ALL DOT statutes are written, unless you are exempting out vehicle of a GVW over excess of 25,000 lbs, you have to be able to do all in said statute or not at all...we have had the AMA working hard for our rights as motorcyclists to keep from being segregated or singled out and now you want to do exactly that?   Never mind...we the skilled will do our thing and take our chances.

you talking about BARF?...they talk about and argue about anything if they can...so what... No

who put you in charge of the board for taking pulses?...most people when doing something like that would simply deliniate the options very clearly with a poll....that you did not...you started a discussion for which you are not the winner of because you can't come up with concise answers to the VERY valid points being brought up against your idea...and you are reading it as people going ballistic when in reality it is all views that are so outside of you scope that you just aren't sure of the best way to respond or react...I am not even going to tell you that I haven't topped a bike out or exceeded speed limits on a roadway of many varying types ( though I do not and have not done 100MPH in a canyon)...I have and I do so within a relative pace...like within 15-20MPH over that limit if it is a road I know and/or am comfortable with and have used a 4 lane empty highway to see what the top speed of my bike was and then back down to a normal pace...but it isn't a regular occurance for me, unlike what you say that you are often doing....which makes me think of how you are being selfish when you are riding like an asshole regularly pushing those limits beyond your controls for margins of error

Ist of all, I have just as much right as any other ( full member ) to start a thread and ask a quetion.

I, unlike you have not resorted to name calling ( which is usually a sign of one of 2 things , either a small male organ ..or a small Brain )....

which is it in your case ?

I thought so !

Polls only give you a broad overview and don't allow for people to give reasons for why they feel the way they voted.

Our Society is not based on one word answers thank goodness.


Since you have admitted to speeding numerous times you have made my case .


Also , there are over 7750 members belonging to this Forum, who died and made you the spokes person since you seem to be the main poster railing aginst me ?

Dolph