Termi's blocking oil drain plug

[ollie]

Coulda woulda shoulda. I can't see how a glaring problem like oil filter/drain plug access could get past anybody but maybe they didn't have a bike with that system on it for you to scrutinize before purchase. I like to examine and do some research before I plunk down $2k+ for anything. Didn't you bother? Well you have now learned a lesson.

thats a tad harsh, as the op said you'd reckon that a product that is an official accessory for a duc wouldn't present an issue like this

[ungeheuer]

R&D is not the consumers job, it's the suppliers job, any other supplier on the market would have to fix this, or take it back, and if the Ducati dealership I had bought it from still existed, they'd be doing one of those.

Frustrating for sure.  But then again is it really that much of a big deal?  M1100 Termi Full System is the same, runs directly under the oil drain plug, when with just a little thought it could have been made to not cause any obstruction.  Its... stupidly inconvenient, but IMO not entirely unexpected either, another flaw I can live with  .  You want logical, well considered engineering? Buy a Honda  .

Coulda woulda shoulda. I can't see how a glaring problem like oil filter/drain plug access could get past anybody.... I like to examine and do some research before I plunk down $2k+ for anything. Didn't you bother? Well you have now learned a lesson.

^^ Some helpful, empathetic advice there from one who apparently overlooks nothing  .  

[booger]

Frustrating for sure.  But then again is it really that much of a big deal?  M1100 Termi Full System is the same, runs directly under the oil drain plug, when with just a little thought it could have been made to not cause any obstruction.  Its... stupidly inconvenient, but IMO not entirely unexpected either, another flaw I can live with  .  You want logical, well considered engineering? Buy a Honda  .
 ^^ Some helpfull, empathetic advice there from one who apparently overlooks nothing  .

Hey now, you read it wrong - I wasn't trying to be harsh, but realistic. And 'Buy a Honda' is a copout and you know it. People have a right to some degree of thoughtful engineering especially at the prices Ducati charges. Hondas will eat Ducs for lunch anyway, pound for pound and dollar for dollar. People buy Ducs because they have a true passion for the bike, and that passion is rewarded all too often with issues of this ilk. It's a slap in the face. But you can't rely on the dealer to protect your best interests either. The dealer protects their best interests, which amount to selling Termis whether they fit right or not. To assume they would warn you about a product they are trying to move off the shelf is naive at best. At the end of the day the consumer is responsible for protecting themselves. Thusly, do your research.

[Cloner]

The Termi system for my '90s carbie SS is similar.  I can't remove the oil filter with it in place, and have to drain the oil across the pipe if I leave it on the bike...which I don't do because what's the good of changing the oil but not the filter?

The good news is there's a joint where the pipe meets the "crossover" where the horizontal and vertical pipes are blended together, so I just have to pull the collector at the horizontal cylinder, remove a spring, and slide the offending pipe forward slightly to remove it from the bike.  All in all it adds 15 or 20 minutes to the job.  A small price to pay for the extra ground clearance afforded by this system.

Oh...and it fits poorly, too!  Viva Termignoni!  (or not)

[rockaduc]

AFAIK, this was a known issue with the 1st generation of Termi full systems for the S*R motors.  I have the full system for my s2r, but I waited until the 2nd generation came out.  I can change my oil w/o any clearence issues 

[xcaptainxbloodx]

Yeah, because I walked into my dealership and said "hey what problems will i have with this?"

the idea that this would be a joke to you is your problem. You should be asking this for every single thing you do to the bike. This is not a MAJOR ISSUE, its not like the exhaust doesn't fit, or that its causing poor runability or even that the dealer lied and told you that it would be fine. all it means is that it will take you what, 30 minutes more at most to do an oil change which happens maybe two or three times a year at most?

is it an inconvenient, stupid design? absolutely.
is it anyones fault but your own that that exhaust is on your bike? no.

[muskrat]

for the price of Termi's it's a BIG issue IMO and is the second reason I chose a Marvin mid-pipe.  And for the record some of us on this board change the oil more than two to three times a year.  I'm not entirely sure he said it was someone's fault but he makes a valid point that most of us overlook.