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#15
April 27, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 27, 2011, 10:12:47 AM
if you decide to do that, i'll split it with you.  i'd love for someone to make the same setup with a USB.  i have a feeling that 90% of it is epoxy fill.

In the "ducatiz / j v" version, sure would be nice for fitment if made in a convenient, nearly-identical size of a single OEM kokusan unit - with well-labeled wiring harness - tach-output pigtail already installed in plug with blanking plug for those not using it.    


and if dreaming, i might dream big:
- perhaps temp sensor input to modify advance if things are getting above a safe temperature
- similar pigtail w/ blank for TPS - plugs approipriate for keihin fcr-mx - get real creative and make retrofit tps modules for banked 39/41's, need two and a small third part if using split singles - giving a complete fuel-ignition map.
- fuel pump signal for more than turning on an electric fuel pump: electronic control over fuel pump delivery, and adjust flow rate for fuel consumption - accessory single-in, single-out 5/16" barb-fitting fuel pump and wiring loom, sold separately
- low fuel light input - triggering reduced fuel consumption characteristics in mapping (software on/off: could turn off for trackday folks, etc so they don't get the low fuel reduced-performance race-outcome decider as seen occur by accident at the pro level)


it would be a complete management system for the carburetted bikes and retro-fit carburetted bikes
Could have Three wiring harnesses available:
 1. Normal, two-trigger carbie style
 2. FI alternator case sensor / layshaft-gear recessed-tooth pickup style
 3. A single trigger carbie style trigger where second cylinder's timing is based off first pickup and separately adjustable if necessary

i recall having a much longer list of ideas at one point that included side-stand trigger input among others (digital fusebox, headlight control, relays/flashers, etc - like a Motogadget M-Unit that also controlled the ignition curve, etc.)

ducatiz

#16
April 27, 2011, 11:02:52 AM
Quote from: avizpls on April 27, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
Considering it. But I would be actively involved. The only thing I am really lacking right now is a microprocessor development platform.

It will depend on where I can get myself with these new coils Chris sent out. That will have to wait until after May 14th, when I will have a break in racing to take the bike out of commission.

http://www.sivava.com/EPROM_Programmer_4.html

16 bit eprom programmer

http://www.progshop.com/shop/programmer/BX32/eprom-programmer.html

32 bit programmer
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ducatiz

#17
April 27, 2011, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: j v on April 27, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
In the "ducatiz / j v" version, sure would be nice for fitment if made in a convenient, nearly-identical size of a single OEM kokusan unit - with well-labeled wiring harness - tach-output pigtail already installed in plug with blanking plug for those not using it.    


if you're going to do that, then split the function into two modules, each the same size as the factory models with pickup/sparker plugs on both. 

as far as having separate channels for each cylinder, they could just be identical units.  maybe a serial sync to program them at once... 
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

greenmonster

#18
April 27, 2011, 05:45:09 PM
QuoteThey (Ignitech, no CA-Cycles) are just too much of a customer service headache. Very little support.  bang head

In what way have they failed w support?


Quoteyeah, they stink when it comes to dealing with them.

What did they do when you dealt w them?
M900 -97 
MTS 1100s  -07

ducatiz

#19
April 27, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
Quote from: greenmonster on April 27, 2011, 05:45:09 PM
In what way have they failed w support?


What did they do when you dealt w them?

i had a series of questions about the units and got very slow responses and finally they stopped replying altogether.  some of the problem, i think, is english facility which is no one's fault but if they are selling to an english speaking audience, they need to address that.

i had several issues with the unit that i tried to address and i simply could not get a straight answer.  i wanted more information on the interface.  also, i was trying to get a straight answer about why they won't use USB (given the PCIII has no problem with it, for instance)..  and so on.

the main thing was that my emails took up to a week for a reply.  and email was the only option for support.
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

greenmonster

#20
April 30, 2011, 06:38:22 AM
Sorry to hear that.

I have opposite experience.
But their mails are a bit short sometimes.
M900 -97 
MTS 1100s  -07

koko64

#21
May 01, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
I'm running Kelley coils and the Igniteck TCIP 4 V80 version. Runs great and no advance delay.

Set it up with shift light and rev limiter functions. Had to use the later software as the version in the kit was for the older V75 model. I just downloaded it from the website. Got a USB adaptor and software disc to run it from a local computer store. I got mine from Chris with his coils and it's the best thing I've done besides FCRs. Brad Black sent me some maps and gave support. I didn't even know he stocked them, just knew he fitted 'em.

If Chris has stopped selling them then get them from Australia! [laugh] Maybe you better get them from Brad as he speaks English (Oz style). I know the OZ dollar is strong now but the support would be worth it.
2015 Scrambler 800

monsta

#22
May 02, 2011, 05:06:41 AM
Quote from: j v on April 27, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
In the "ducatiz / j v" version, sure would be nice for fitment if made in a convenient, nearly-identical size of a single OEM kokusan unit - with well-labeled wiring harness - tach-output pigtail already installed in plug with blanking plug for those not using it.    


and if dreaming, i might dream big:
- perhaps temp sensor input to modify advance if things are getting above a safe temperature
- similar pigtail w/ blank for TPS - plugs approipriate for keihin fcr-mx - get real creative and make retrofit tps modules for banked 39/41's, need two and a small third part if using split singles - giving a complete fuel-ignition map.
- fuel pump signal for more than turning on an electric fuel pump: electronic control over fuel pump delivery, and adjust flow rate for fuel consumption - accessory single-in, single-out 5/16" barb-fitting fuel pump and wiring loom, sold separately
- low fuel light input - triggering reduced fuel consumption characteristics in mapping (software on/off: could turn off for trackday folks, etc so they don't get the low fuel reduced-performance race-outcome decider as seen occur by accident at the pro level)


it would be a complete management system for the carburetted bikes and retro-fit carburetted bikes
Could have Three wiring harnesses available:
 1. Normal, two-trigger carbie style
 2. FI alternator case sensor / layshaft-gear recessed-tooth pickup style
 3. A single trigger carbie style trigger where second cylinder's timing is based off first pickup and separately adjustable if necessary

i recall having a much longer list of ideas at one point that included side-stand trigger input among others (digital fusebox, headlight control, relays/flashers, etc - like a Motogadget M-Unit that also controlled the ignition curve, etc.)

and software to run from android or ipad
93 M900 - 07 ST3 - 00 748s trackbike - 78 900SS - 13 848 EVO Corse SE

ducatiz

#23
May 02, 2011, 05:07:49 AM
Quote from: monsta on May 02, 2011, 05:06:41 AM
and software to run from android or ipad

how will you connect it to the Ipad?  No serial or USB
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

avizpls

#24
May 02, 2011, 05:29:21 AM
FWIW to add, I blew another Ignitech this weekend on-track for no apparant reason while using the STOCK coils.

Ignitech are garbage! Both the people and the product.
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ducatiz

#25
May 02, 2011, 05:29:56 AM Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 05:38:45 AM by ducatiz
Quote from: avizpls on May 02, 2011, 05:29:21 AM
FWIW to add, I blew another Ignitech this weekend on-track for no apparant reason while using the STOCK coils.

Ignitech are garbage! Both the people and the product.

wow.  another?? did htey replace the last one?

wtf?

I wonder if it's a voltage surge?  maybe an in-line fuse on the power (13) line?
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

avizpls

#26
May 02, 2011, 06:44:29 AM
but its the OUTPUT that drops.

This was at my trackday yesterday. I jsut packed it in and went home and promised myself I wouldn't let it ruin my day.

So I havent really diagnosed it too far yet. Odds are though that its the same as the ones before.


That, and with the new version 80, the bike wont run right with the PC connected. The software also crashes if you try and run the bike with tit connected. Its just plain junk. Thats why CA stopped selling it, and thats why Im stopping using it. Quick shifter be damned.
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ducatiz

#27
May 02, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
I have a version 75 and it hasn't had those problems.... I wonder if they just screwed up on the update...

I know the output drops, but my question was more to the cause of the failure.  I am wondering if transient voltage could do it, it's not like the electrics are that sophisticated.  put a 12v 0.5A quick blow fuse inline and see what transpires...
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avizpls

#28
May 02, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
so buy ANOTHER one?

no thanks. 3 is enough.   [thumbsdown]
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ducatiz

#29
May 02, 2011, 07:42:14 AM
Quote from: avizpls on May 02, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
so buy ANOTHER one?

no thanks. 3 is enough.   [thumbsdown]

so they didn't replace the prior ones????
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.
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