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ducatiz

#120
May 16, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: avizpls on May 16, 2011, 11:05:10 AM
I find the use of the word "still" to be slightly confusing.

Probably not. I mean....I've been called a hoarder, but....I can use these to some extent. Race fuel/track map and a pump gas/street map unit comes to mind. I want to build a sick go-kart, and I have a KTM that could use one. There-thats 4

I'd really rather just keep them (in one piece) for myself.

Lets see how much they tell me for repair.

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avizpls

#121
May 16, 2011, 11:21:11 AM
LOL I'll be sure to keep you in mind (as if I could avoid it) for potential unloading if repairs aren't worth it. Im hoping they will be reasonable about it though.
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ducatiz

#122
May 16, 2011, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: avizpls on May 16, 2011, 11:21:11 AM
LOL I'll be sure to keep you in mind (as if I could avoid it) for potential unloading if repairs aren't worth it. Im hoping they will be reasonable about it though.

imagine a grown man crying in joy. 

that'll not be me.

i'll just be mildly happy.
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Düb Lüv

#123
May 24, 2011, 07:20:22 AM
i called NGK today to pick their brain about this matter. they said that using a non resistive plug on an aftermarket ignition system would interfere with the electromagnetic sensitive system that a non-restrictive spark plug would produce. by using the resistor plug would scramble the electromagnetic frequency produced by the spark plugs, allowing proper operation. they also mention any sensitive electrical system could be affected also.  Dyna, and MSD ignition systems were similar ones to name.

here's the resistor plugs for a belt driven 900

DCPR8E (Nickel plug with glass media resistor)
DCPR8EIX (Iridium plug with resistor)


sorry if i'm beating a dead horse with the same info.
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junior varsity

#124
May 24, 2011, 09:22:32 AM
That's a good summary

koko64

#125
May 25, 2011, 01:29:11 AM
+1.  Thanks DL.

They're actually the plugs I've been using. That's a relief.

Seems Resistor plugs appear to be the norm with modern ignition systems nowdays.
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junior varsity

#126
May 25, 2011, 07:04:35 AM
Going to gave to check mine.

ducatiz

#127
May 25, 2011, 07:12:34 AM
Interesting, I would never use anything but R plugs on modern bikes.  I've just assumed it was necessary for the EFI system.

I think I mentioned previously that older bikes had a resister in the plug cap and no R plugs.
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turbodude

#128
May 25, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Quote from: Düb Lüv on May 24, 2011, 07:20:22 AM
i called NGK today to pick their brain about this matter. they said that using a non resistive plug on an aftermarket ignition system would interfere with the electromagnetic sensitive system that a non-restrictive spark plug would produce. by using the resistor plug would scramble the electromagnetic frequency produced by the spark plugs, allowing proper operation. they also mention any sensitive electrical system could be affected also.  Dyna, and MSD ignition systems were similar ones to name.

here's the resistor plugs for a belt driven 900

DCPR8E (Nickel plug with glass media resistor)
DCPR8EIX (Iridium plug with resistor)


sorry if i'm beating a dead horse with the same info.

Does anyone know the difference between the above plugs and say a D8EA or DR8EA?

ducpainter

#129
May 25, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: turbodude on May 25, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Does anyone know the difference between the above plugs and say a D8EA or DR8EA?


The plugs you mention don't have a projected tip.

One is not a resistor plug.
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avizpls

#130
May 25, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
Do we need a projected tip?

Ive been running the DR8EA...
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ducatiz

#131
May 25, 2011, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: avizpls on May 25, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
Do we need a projected tip?

Ive been running the DR8EA...

NGK seems to think you do:  DCPR8E

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/part_finder/motorcycles/step4.asp?id=3926&type=reg

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ducpainter

#132
May 25, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: avizpls on May 25, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
Do we need a projected tip?

Ive been running the DR8EA...
It's what BCM used to put in my bike when they were there and what my tech still uses.

I believe NGK is right...
Quote from: ducatiz on May 25, 2011, 11:03:34 AM
NGK seems to think you do:  DCPR8E

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/part_finder/motorcycles/step4.asp?id=3926&type=reg


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junior varsity

#133
May 25, 2011, 01:43:34 PM Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 01:49:21 PM by j v
fml.

the takeaway, then, seems to be the:

When using an Ignitech TCIP4 programmable ignition

1. Manufacturer of Coil is not relevant (Dyna, CA-Cycleworks, or OEM)
2. The sparkplugs (themselves) or the sparkplug caps on the wires must be "resistor type" to eliminate interference which causes the Ignitech device to fail.

  2.1. Proper sparkplugs, when not using resistor-cap sparkplug wires, include:
    2.1.1. DCPR8E - Projected Tip Resistor Type [Gap from NGK is 0.024) (Use non-resistor type wires)
    2.1.2. DCPR8EIX - Iridium Projected Tip Resistor Type (Use non-resistor type wires)

D = 12mm Thread Diameter
C = 5/8" Hex Size Construction
P = Projected Insulator Type
R = Resistor Type
8 = Heat Range (2 = Hotter - longer insulator nose; 11 = Cold - shorter insulator nose)(for heat sparkplug can handle/remove from combustion chamber - purpose is to avoid creating a hotspot and preignition/detonation at the too-hot end, and carbon fouling on the too-cold end. E.g. NGK Goldilocks Plugs.)
E = 19mm Thread Reach
(IX) = (Iridium and booster gap, I believe)


now, somebody go and remind me why it matters what the primary and secondary resistance (ohms) of the coils are again, pretty please. We can make an exhaustive sticky at some point where the info is all consolidated.

I think I recall a zero-ohm reading on the secondary resistance means its a bad coil, perhaps that applies to either reading.
I also recall reading that the resistance reading may show zero or 'bad' (outside of range) or the coil may function intermittently when it gets hot - perhaps why coils on the newer bikes are located closer to the frame's edges on newer models, rather than tucked up behind the airbox by the battery on the old ones (though I've never had a coil go bad on the Duc... but have received a batch - all eight - brand new Accel 'super' coils for the ol' chevrolet that were bad out of the box - then i learned people seem to avoid prestolite products who know what they are doing...)

greenmonster

#134
May 25, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
 [drink] , koko?  ;D   I have... [beer]

What about original Champions, should be resistors, do they work w this setup?
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