Tactical Shotgun

[Smiling End]

So, I went to the Valley Forge Gun Show yesterday.  It was pretty good.  It wasn't nearly as "colorful" as I was expecting.  It actually was better than the one I went to in NY last year.  There was quite a varied selection of firearms, a lot of AR's, shotguns, SKS's and handguns.  There was also some crazy stuff like Uzi's, mini Uzi's, Steyr Aug 3 (which isn't really anything special just looks crazy), and a few m203 grenade uh I mean "flare" launchers.  There were also a lot of pistol grip Mossberg 500 shotguns with the loop attached to the pump.  They were pretty cool and very heavy. 

In addition to the firearms there were quite a few parts guys there as well as magazine vendors and two ammo vendors.  The ammo was decently prized (a buck or two less than Natchez) and the magazines were definitely cheap.  I picked up two factory sealed Bushmaster 30rd magazines for less than $50. 

My two friends that came had a good time too.  My one buddy was able to get 6 factory sealed 20rd Ruger Mini 14 magazines for $35 a piece, $15 cheaper than anywhere else he's looked, and my other friend bought a level IIIA ballistic vest. 

It was definitely worth the two hour drive there.  If anyone is within a good driving distance I'd say check it out when it comes around again in late September. 

[ducatiz]

So, I went to the Valley Forge Gun Show yesterday.  It was pretty good.  It wasn't nearly as "colorful" as I was expecting.  It actually was better than the one I went to in NY last year. 

that is to be expected, NY is more fascist by far than PA regarding the gun shows. 

VF is fairly good about keeping the non-gun vendors less than 10-20% of the stuff.  anything mor eand it's just a fleamarket.

[tonupyank]

Wow, this has been an interesting 8 pages of posts to read.  More pics too......since all the acronyms are messing me up.   

Oh, and since 'tone' is always hard to interpret on these things.....I'm not being a jackhole either. 

[slowpoke13]

back on topic- "recoil absorbing butt stocks"... anyone have one and have things to say? 

I've got a Knoxx SpecOps Stock on my Mossy 500 Mariner. It's a bit pricey. But, I paid about 1/5th retail for it. The Mossy just had a pistol grip that came with it and I wanted a stock. Reviews, it's not bad. I've put hundreds of rounds down range with a standard Moss 500 during qualifications. So, I'm used to the standard kick of a shotgun using slugs and various shot. And, it's fully tolerable up until 30-40 rounds. After that, the shoulder gets a bit sore. The Knoxx will go 150 rounds without being sore in the morning. In addition to the ease, follow shots are practically right on target. The "shocks" push it back and allows the barrel to stay on target much easier. Much more rifle like.

[c_rex]

thx Slowpoke... that's what I'm looking for.  I've got a chronic shoulder injury that flares up when abused.  I saw that Knoxx setup and liked it but what's the deal with that gap at the butt end of the reciever?  Why does the recoiling version have it while the non recoil adjustable version doesn't?  I don't claim to have the smoothest pull and I can totally see myself hanging up on that jagged line.  Cheers man. 

[ducatiz]

JG has police trade-in Win 1300's for a good price:

Stamped with "NCSO" (Navaho County Sheriff's Office).. These rode around in squad cars and shot at people n stuff.

[slowpoke13]

thx Slowpoke... that's what I'm looking for.  I've got a chronic shoulder injury that flares up when abused.  I saw that Knoxx setup and liked it but what's the deal with that gap at the butt end of the reciever?  Why does the recoiling version have it while the non recoil adjustable version doesn't?  I don't claim to have the smoothest pull and I can totally see myself hanging up on that jagged line.  Cheers man. 

That gap allows the compression of the shock. You won't even notice it. You won't hang on it.

[ducsix]

For home defense, I am thinking about ditching my 20 gauge remington for a Ruger carbine .40S&W, using hollow points to prevent unintended thru-wall incidents.  We went 20 gauge on the shotgun so my wife could use it without dislocating her shoulder (she's 5'2" 115lb so a 12 or 16 is a bit much for her), but the thing is still heavy and gives a decent kick. 

Any opinions on making this transition?

[Sinister]

For home defense, I am thinking about ditching my 20 gauge remington for a Ruger carbine .40S&W, using hollow points to prevent unintended thru-wall incidents. 

Are you thinking a P-Series semi-auto pistol?  'Carbine' makes me think Mini-14, but you reference a handgun caliber.     I'd say stick with the 20-ga; maybe get the barrel shortened, a bit, and use 00-buckshot.

[ducsix]

Are you thinking a P-Series semi-auto pistol?  'Carbine' makes me think Mini-14, but you reference a handgun caliber.     I'd say stick with the 20-ga; maybe get the barrel shortened, a bit, and use 00-buckshot.

I'm looking at the PC-40 in .40S&W.  My personal preference is to stick with the 20 gauge (actually what I really want is a 12-ga Mossberg 500) but my wife just isn't 100% comfortable with it. She's done a bit of target practice with a .30 M1 and really enjoyed it, so another bonus of the carbine would be that it'd be a lot of fun at the range. 

[Sinister]

Got a link?

[ducsix]

Got a link?

Nope.  My only knowledge of the gun is from spending some range time using a friend's PC-40, and looking at a few gunbroker.com ads.  I'm new to rifles and am open to other options as long as I can get something with a reasonably modern firing pin safety.

[Sinister]

Stick with the shotgun, dude; or get a pistol.

[Le Pirate]

I have a Remington shot gun I use for dove hunting. I'm really not sure the model number, as it's at home and I'm at work.


but...for home defense, sometimes I feel like it might be a little two long to swing around. So, I've been thinking of getting one of these to keep in the night stand:




5 .410 rounds in the palm of my hand 

[ducsix]

Stick with the shotgun, dude; or get a pistol.

A handgun is not an option for me, for reasons I'd rather not get into here. 

I'm curious about arguments against going with a carbine.  A carbine with .40S&W hollow points is going to have just as much stopping power as a shotgun, but without the weight or recoil issues.  Why would this not be a good option?