1199 Photo leak!

[thought]

all i know is that no matter how it looks... ducati has proven time and time again that as long as they paint it red, slap on a SSS and a trellis frame, we're going to want to buy it.

and yes, i know that the trellis is a thing of the past now

[Triple J]

you give them too much credit.  the real reason was Texas Pacific Group.  I'm not entirely sure they learned their lesson but we shall see.  Based on the tank issue they still seem to be hard-headed if not completely clueless in some respects.

TPG sold the last of it's stake in Ducati in 2005...well over a year before the 1098 was released, which was the reasonably priced SBK that seems to have started the company's turn around.

That's not to discount TPG's positive influence prior to that though.

[The Mad King Pepe']

Quote from the italian magazine Motociclismo.it:
"Una meravigliosa sintesi di novità: dal rivoluzionario telaio passando per la per la frizione, per la distribuzione, per la fluidodinamica, per la componentistica, per le sospensioni, per il design."

 - revolutionary frame (we new that already);
 - new distribution (no more desmo?!?)

I think fluidodinamica (hydrodynamics) refers to the new airbox design, and the rest is all fluff. The only thing that leaves me wondering is that this magazine claims there will be a new distribution system...

[Raux]

distribution... maybe no more separate coils, maybe they sit on the plugs directly like many cars? I don't think they mean valvetrain.

we can probably expect new electronic clutch, the new transmission dst, traction, abs, electronic suspension on the S,

[IdZer0]

Wouldn't that be the gear driven cams?

[Raux]

That was true as well from what I read.

This motor is going to be so awesome. BUT, I wonder if Ducati will build a new 2V, keep the old one, or drop the 2v altogether.

carrying two motor designs with totally different architectures doesn't seem like a sound investment for the long term for such a small company.

Could me imagine a frameless naked Monster

[zarn02]

My guess would also be that the "new distribution" refers to gear-driven cams.

[muskrat]

TPG sold the last of it's stake in Ducati in 2005...well over a year before the 1098 was released, which was the reasonably priced SBK that seems to have started the company's turn around.

That's not to discount TPG's positive influence prior to that though.

TPG is the only reason they didn't go bankrupt.  They had a huge influence in turning around the reliability and designs.  I'm not sure I'd call the new 1198 or future "reasonably" priced seeing the MV, BMW and Aprilia.  We shall see. 

[Triple J]

TPG is the only reason they didn't go bankrupt.  They had a huge influence in turning around the reliability and designs.  I'm not sure I'd call the new 1198 or future "reasonably" priced seeing the MV, BMW and Aprilia.  We shall see. 

Who knows about the 1199...but the 1098/848 were definitely affordable compared to earlier SBKs. That's what was meant.

Agreed TPG did a lot, but that was earlier, definitely pre-1098. TPG bought Ducati in '96. The 1098 introduction is what started the recent good times for the company. IIRC, sales were a bit slow prior to the 1098, with the relatively unpopular 999 series, Supersport series, and ST-3.

[muskrat]

for me the sexiest Ducs are first the Cedici and second the 999. 
anyway, lets wait and see what she will look like and the price point which is the most important thing.

[avizpls]

whats this?

[junior varsity]

and the price point which is the most important thing.

disagree.   

price point only matters as it reflects on performance, if at all, for a flagship superbike from an italian manufacturer to me.

most important points to me would be the implementation of advances in technology (the stuff they've figured out in racing, etc), the various categories of performance, rider-to-bike ergonomics, and then aesthetics.  I want a dedicated monoposto version, at least on the plain-jane "S" model (or some other intermediate before the "R" model),  with proper subframe rather than over-design to make them all 'bipostos'.  Not at all concerned with what the mirrors look like on a SBK or how useful they are, whether or not the gauges feature a compass, miles-till-empty, clock, am/fm/xm radio, user-customizable greeting, or the like. 


and if its name is as terrible as "Xtreme" or "xtremo", I'll be a bit disappointed. Wouldn't really affect my decision whether or not to purchase though.   I think "1199" followed by "849", etc might be more appropriate if it has some correlation to actual displacement.  I like 'superquadrata' and 'medioquadrata/mezzoquadrata', and perhaps at some point, a third flavor for the noobs, 'piccoloquadrata/brevequadrata'.

where you'd run into problems with the 'word' names, not present in 'number' names, is the names of certain special models.  While "Pista" would fit fine, Superquadrata Pista, another classic would not wear so well: "Superquadrata Strada" ... Sounds like "estrada or nada" from My Name is Earl.

[Raux]

Ducati is decidely moving upmarket, so I expect the price of the standard model to be at least where the S model is now or higher.

[The Mad King Pepe']

I like 'superquadrata' and 'medioquadrata/mezzoquadrata', and perhaps at some point, a third flavor for the noobs, 'piccoloquadrata/brevequadrata'.

where you'd run into problems with the 'word' names, not present in 'number' names, is the names of certain special models.  While "Pista" would fit fine, Superquadrata Pista, another classic would not wear so well: "Superquadrata Strada" ... Sounds like "estrada or nada" from My Name is Earl.

The problem with names is that something that sounds cool in one language EG. 'medioquadrata/mezzoquadrata' (or even worse 'piccoloquadrata/brevequadrata' -- might as well call the bike 'choad' ) is complete crap in other ones.

Nothing against personal preferences, btw, I just want to point out the issue. Car manufacturers often change the vehicle name depending on where it will be marketed. The VW Jetta was initially called the Fox (vs the first gen Rabbit, which has always been the Golf in Europe), and in South America and Europe is/was called the Vento (which means wind in italian).

[zarn02]

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