1199 Photo leak!

[zarn02]

I am still hoping the "extreme" and other names (even superquadrata) do not make it to final production for the model's name - I see no reason to discontinue the number scheme currently employed.

I imagine it will be billed as the 1199 Superquadratta.

If you'll recall, the early 916 vintages had 'Desmoquattro' on the side, and the 998 has 'Testastretta' labels.

[Triple J]

pretty sure that's them testing out the wsbk setups.

Yep. No way those forks make it to a production bike.

[ducatiz]

I imagine it will be billed as the 1199 Superquadratta.

If you'll recall, the early 916 vintages had 'Desmoquattro' on the side, and the 998 has 'Testastretta' labels.

the GTL parallel engine is the original superquadratta engine...78 x 52 mm

[junior varsity]

Yep. No way those forks make it to a production bike.

disagree. i can see them gracing the R model

[sbrguy]

the bike looks tiny in the pic or else they have a really tall test rider on it.

[junior varsity]

what i heard was that it was both significantly smaller and significantly more expensive than the current crop.  going for competitive race model - a transition back to 'roots' - rather than bikes to appeal and market to the masses.

[Triple J]

disagree. i can see them gracing the R model

I guess they could...but they never have before.

[junior varsity]

they were on the d16rr.  no reason the comprehensive revision to the sbk lineup wouldn't feature such equipment on the flagship model.

i think it also depends on how you define 'production model'.   they will very likely be on an RS model.

[IdZer0]

a little teaser for the 1199 probably

[Triple J]

they were on the d16rr.  no reason the comprehensive revision to the sbk lineup wouldn't feature such equipment on the flagship model.

i think it also depends on how you define 'production model'.   they will very likely be on an RS model.

Correct, they put them on a $70K motorcycle (that they admit they lost money on). They didn't put them on a $40K motorcycle in the 1098R. We'll see, I just seriously doubt it. Price is the reason they wouldn't include them.

[junior varsity]

people don't purchase the R model because of a convenient price

the forks retail for 8-12k, if an "1199R" came with gas charged forks it could be estimated to command a price around $45-55k (though the R model may be at that price without gas charged forks).

[junior varsity]

Correct, they put them on a $70K motorcycle (that they admit they lost money on). They didn't put them on a $40K motorcycle in the 1098R. We'll see, I just seriously doubt it. Price is the reason they wouldn't include them.

its easy to "lose money" when you price oddball 16" magnesium wheels at nearly $10k/ea (customer retail price for a replacement).   aftermarket sets for 16.5 or 17 go for half msrp - so what they admit and the reality of what was going on isn't crystal clear.   the 1199 would benefit from economies of scale with respect to wheels - whether forged aluminum or mag - allowing room for better forks.  The gas charged forks have been in the current models parts catalog for quite awhile.

[Triple J]

We'll see. It would be awesome, I admit!   

[junior varsity]

recall there used to exist models for the masses - the mid bore "E" frame, the mid bore regular frame, and the mid-bore, higher spec "S" model

then there was the group of models for those that needed 'more' - the big bore standard model, and the big bore "S" model

then there were the models for those that needed to get a bit nuts:  the SP, SPO, SPS

and then there was the floor model "R"

but for those who were more special, there was more to be had from Ducati - the Factory bikes - the Corsa / Corse / RS (the WSBK homologation models, though I think the SPO could almost fit into this category)

The "R" model is fortunately/unfortunately a dumbed down version of the RS, lacking the really crazy parts but with a good bit of the "goodies".   The Desmosedici RR sold in the showrooms was a combination of the GP bike and the 1098 - it came with 1098 brakes (calipers and masters), for example, rather than the billet monoblocks and billet pumps. (thought it would at least be fitted with the HP line off-the-shelf stuff)

Here's a few shots of the kind of craziness that is the SBK history

[swampduc]

people don't purchase the R model because of a convenient price

the forks retail for 8-12k, if an "1199R" came with gas charged forks it could be estimated to command a price around $45-55k (though the R model may be at that price without gas charged forks).

Keep in mind that many dealers had trouble sellin a 1098R at 40k. It took at least 6 mos for the local shop to sell theirs, and I think they got 33-34 for it. A 55k sbk is gonna be a tough sell. Not every market is Dallas