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Author Topic: Guareschi: Our bike is like handling an eel  (Read 6006 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 10:16:01 AM »
Quote from: Raux on July 27, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
kinda shows how important the right tires are for your bike.

critical.  they literally build the bike around the tires.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 12:53:13 PM »
Maybe MotoGP needs to replace Bridgestone with Pirelli. The WSBKs don't seem to have bad tire problems. I don't think I have ever heard any righteous complaints about the Pirellis. Only "we picked the wrong compound in the first race, we'll get it right in race two". Those kind of problems are not Pirelli's fault.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 01:24:32 PM »
Quote from: fastwin on July 27, 2011, 12:53:13 PM
Maybe MotoGP needs to replace Bridgestone with Pirelli. The WSBKs don't seem to have bad tire problems. I don't think I have ever heard any righteous complaints about the Pirellis. Only "we picked the wrong compound in the first race, we'll get it right in race two". Those kind of problems are not Pirelli's fault.

WSBK is a production series...MotoGP are prototypes. I suspect you're much more inclined to build a bike around the tire when it's a prototype series, running 1-2 seconds faster around most tracks, no?
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 01:30:22 PM »
[when they're working] the bridgestones have a LOT more grip than the pirellis.  if pirelli came to GP they'd have to develop a brand new tire.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2011, 03:20:03 PM »
I was just throwing out food for thought. And it's nice to see a lack of tire problems in WSBK. Pirelli is doing them right. Maybe the Ducs just can't deal with the new 'stones as well as other bikes. I guess that's stating the obvious again. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 11:24:57 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2011, 11:46:51 AM »
lol.. i suppose this is the first time they are saying it's not perfectly fine.  4 years was enough.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 11:58:13 AM »
they still aren't saying... "our bike design sucks, we need to rethink the concept"
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 12:01:20 PM »
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
they still aren't saying... "our bike design sucks, we need to rethink the concept"

I'm not sure they could do that without pre-emptively destroying the sales for the upcoming 1199, which is based on teh same concept.  And who knows . . . as a road/track bike with road/track tires (anything but GP bridgestones), it may work very well.
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 12:11:55 PM »
Quote from: Spidey on July 28, 2011, 12:01:20 PM
I'm not sure they could do that without pre-emptively destroying the sales for the upcoming 1199, which is based on teh same concept.  And who knows . . . as a road/track bike with road/track tires (anything but GP bridgestones), it may work very well.

well on that i agree.
the 1199 could very well be a gem. the OEM tires they choose for it will be critical as well, but also the frame will act differently as it's alloy, not CF. but what happens when it gets into WSBK with spec tires it's not designed for? or worse if they decide to use CF after the homologate it with a run of 1199R
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2011, 12:42:54 PM »
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 12:11:55 PM
but what happens when it gets into WSBK with spec tires it's not designed for? or worse if they decide to use CF after the homologate it with a run of 1199R

Then they exit WSBK again...and maybe enter F1 Grin
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2011, 12:43:23 PM »
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 12:11:55 PM

...but what happens when it gets into WSBK with spec tires it's not designed for?


the worldsbk spec tires are a quite different animal than the gp tires... a lot less available traction, less side grip, etc.

i'm not so worried about the production based bikes.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2011, 12:50:09 PM »
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 12:11:55 PM
well on that i agree.
the 1199 could very well be a gem. the OEM tires they choose for it will be critical as well, but also the frame will act differently as it's alloy, not CF. but what happens when it gets into WSBK with spec tires it's not designed for? or worse if they decide to use CF after the homologate it with a run of 1199R

the margin of error is much larger in production-based racing.  and they have lots of very successful experience making the bike work on pirellis. 

when the bike and the tires will support squaring the corners it's a different conversation than GP today.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2011, 12:52:23 PM »
Quote from: derby on July 28, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
the worldsbk spec tires are a quite different animal than the gp tires... a lot less available traction, less side grip, etc.
 

whatever you do...don't let Checa know that!
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2011, 12:54:45 PM »
Quote from: zooom on July 28, 2011, 12:52:23 PM
whatever you do...don't let Checa know that!

yeah no kidding, he's placing third in MotoGP races in the WSBK!
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