Having ECU thoughts...

[Brett76]

Has any of you ventured into the aftermarket ecu territory??? Maybe its summer & i am looking for something to get excited about but i am tossing up a few options having done brakes, suspension & exhaust over previous summers. Interested in your thoughts... BTW S2R800

[Two dogs]

Here ya go  

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PERFORMANCE-RACE-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-800-ECM-CPU-/170693170450?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27be1b1512#ht_2458wt_1046

Purchased one for my S2R arrived in a week from paying cost me $460
Ducati dealer quoted me $1800  
not sure if you have slip on cans or full system so you would need to specify to desmo-porsche your
requirements , IMO better than a re-flash as they can go haywire and then you loose your OEM ECU
That's one of the reasons I did mine this way . Bike runs smooth as warm butter on hot toast now.

[rendang]

  Or maybe these guys ? Never dealt with them but maybe someone else has and can recommend them, or not.

http://www.gothamcycles.com/servlet/the-4035/DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-800/Detail

[vossy]

Brett,
I bought an ECU from Desmo-porsche about a year ago, flashed to DP specs with the immobilizer dis-enabled It was around $400 delivered. Great service and fast delivery.
This enabled me to keep my stock ECU. (just in-case I needed it) 

I never looked back once it was installed and set up.

Go for it!

[timjim]

Very timely thread, for me. I'm fitting new midpipe, cored cans, and open airbox this week - and WAS thinking 'reflash' on the stock ECU....but now....? 

Two Dogs and Vossy, can you enlighten me any further? I was expecting the reflash to cost upwards of $300-$500 anyway (can't remember if $500 included a dyno-tune or not...?) - and now I'm wondering if your 'desmo-porsche' race ecu option isn't a better bet? - albeit $587 on EBay - bit more expensive than you paid...! It's basically a reflashed ECU they're selling, am I right? (i.e. not a genuine Ducati ecu)

Can I literally unplug the old ECU, plug in the new one and ride away?

Vossy, can you explain in layman's terms what "disabling the immobilizer" actually means? I don't get taht bit. I'm a bit of mechanical nong, sorry....

Anyone's views would be gladly received. I'm sortta over "THINKING", and just want to RIDE!!!

[Two dogs]

Tim the one I linked as stated on their auction is for a  NEW genuine DP race ecu
You would be advised to contact them describing your bike year and set up as in pipes full system or slip on.
I payed less as I waited for the Aussie $$ to be in my favor and got it at nearly 110 c per US  
It is not quite plug n play but you may be lucky  as most likely you will need to have your TPS reset as your idle speed may be out of whack due to changed fueling with a new ECU and while your at it get the throttle bodies synced. Where are you ? If in Sydney ...........D- Moto !!!!! best Ducati wrenchers in town.
A lot of owners have gone with a reflash which has its merits, you can disable the immobilizer and have a custom map done , but I have read of some having issues with the re flash not being perfect and having to have it re done, no drama if you don't mind your bike off the road while waiting .

Disabling the immobilizer means you don't need coded keys an issue if you didn't get the red key with the bike
or you want to change the clocks or a few other things that don't come to mind ATAM.
But only an issue really if you bought the bike with only one key and lectric Italian gremlins get in.

[Two dogs]

Tim just realized your not the OP
The ecu I linked is for an S2R800
Just checked there listings and did not see one for S2R1K
Best contact them to see if they have one for your bike as the duel spark would need a specific ecu
Or back to the re flash option
good luck keep us posted on your solution.

Found one

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PERFORMANCE-RACE-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-1000-FULL-SYS-/170688738004?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27bdd772d4#ht_2559wt_1029

[timjim]

Tim just realized your not the OP
The ecu I linked is for an S2R800
/170688738004?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27bdd772d4#ht_2559wt_1029[/url]

Yes, sorry - I sort of hijacked Brett's thread...

Yes, I found the S2R1K ecu on their ebay store and on their website earlier this morning. Sounds good. I'll give Mike a call at Desmoclinic to talk through the options too...am defo leaning towards buying this replacement ECU over the reflash. As far as TPS reset / throttle bodies synced etc, I think I'd have to do that anyway, as Mike had already said to bring it in after the "reflash". It's due it's 24K soonish anyway...Will let you know which way I go!

[brad black]

i haven't had any issues with the ecu's i've reflashed.  i haven't really repeat flashed any 5.9M or 5AM yet when doing iterative tuning like i used to do 1.5M, but we never had any issue with them.  some of the 1.5M i probably reflashed 20 - 30 times.  altho buying another ecu means you can always refit your original if needed at any time, which is not a bad idea.

the software i have for flashing them allows virginising or permanant disabling of the immobilisor, which would be done in the ecu's eeprom (where the idle trim, key coding, etc would be stored) as opposed to the flash eprom where the map file is.  plus you can turn it off in the map file if you know the address, just like turning off the closed loop or exhaust valve functions.

any linear tps ecu needs the tps reset upon fitment, and if it's open loop then the idle mixture needs to be set.

[Brett76]

Thanks for the heads-up/valuable words of advice. Has anyone gone down the microtech/nemesis rout?

[Speeddog]

Thanks for the heads-up/valuable words of advice. Has anyone gone down the microtech/nemesis rout?

Recently fitted a MicroTec to my '02 S4.

All's good so far. 

[vossy]

Very timely thread, for me. I'm fitting new midpipe, cored cans, and open airbox this week - and WAS thinking 'reflash' on the stock ECU....but now....? 

Two Dogs and Vossy, can you enlighten me any further? I was expecting the reflash to cost upwards of $300-$500 anyway (can't remember if $500 included a dyno-tune or not...?) - and now I'm wondering if your 'desmo-porsche' race ecu option isn't a better bet? - albeit $587 on EBay - bit more expensive than you paid...! It's basically a reflashed ECU they're selling, am I right? (i.e. not a genuine Ducati ecu)

Can I literally unplug the old ECU, plug in the new one and ride away?

Vossy, can you explain in layman's terms what "disabling the immobilizer" actually means? I don't get taht bit. I'm a bit of mechanical nong, sorry....

Anyone's views would be gladly received. I'm sortta over "THINKING", and just want to RIDE!!!

Hey Tim,

The ECU I received was a stock Ducati one which was reflashed to DP specs. I forgot to metion it was also for a S2R1000.
The main reason for going down this path was to have both a DP ECU and my stock ECU

As for plug and play, well not quite.
You will need to have the TPS reset for starters and the trim value on the new ECU set up. This can be done either by a mechanic with a VDST or buy your own (Which I did) for future use. A very handy device I might add.
That's all I did and I've never looked back!

With the US $$ the way it is, it's a good time to go for it.

[J5]

Hi Brad black

question regarding ECU's

I have a S4 , the question is can i get an ecu of the same type from any other model that runs the same version  ecu and then have you reflash this and enable to used on the S4 ??

i.e are the ecu of same type all the same and only difference is the software within ??

thanks

[brad black]

j5

there's two different ecu versions - 5.9M and 5AM - which are visually identical.  5.9M was the earlier version, generally 2001 - 2004.  i believe the main difference is the processor brand, but the 5.9M are the ones that drop one cylinder.  i haven't seen any issues with 5AM that i recall, but we replaced quite a few 5.9M, mainly in ST4S.  you can't swap maps from one ecu version to the other, they aren't compatible.  to id them you peel the ducati stickers off the top of the long marelli sticker, and it will have 5.9M or 5AM on it.

5.9M are also quite hard to get these days, as many replaced ones were binned years ago when you couldn't do anything with them.  i've found a few of the early oens to be non responsive to immobilisor virginising or disabling, but not to flashing.  any 996R or 998 ecu should work without virginising due to them not having an immobilisor, but all other 5.9M applcations did have.  you can drill a litle hole in them and earth a contact to put them in boot mode and this will allow you to virginise any of the recalcitrant ones i'm told, but i've never done that.  probably like putting 748R throttle bodies in the lathe and machining them, it only sounds daunting until you've done it once.

you could also use a 5AM out of an S4R theoretically with the 5.9M file maps dropped into it, but it will have the "runs with stand down" logic which your S4 may (2002) or may not (2001) have. plus they started using inputs for different things, so you can get some wackiness when you change maps between models - headlight operation is an obvious one.  the ecu themselves when mapped to suit an application are functionally identical - for instance, there are both 5.9M and 5AM versions of the 999 016 ecu and S4R 030 ecu.

[rendang]

   So Brett, what did you decide to do?  Curious because I have new cans, midpipe and velocity stacks and need to get it all tuned up.
                                                               cheers   Steve.