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Started by He Man, December 18, 2011, 01:19:02 PM

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Rob Hilding

#16
December 19, 2011, 04:26:40 PM
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#17
December 19, 2011, 04:50:18 PM Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 05:27:51 PM by He Man
Quote from: battlecry on December 19, 2011, 05:18:11 AM
Good luck with your exams, He Man.  Regards, BC   

thanks man. will need it.


the bearings are coming in tomorrow! which is way sooner than i expected, the warehouse is in PA. though im not sure if it comes with the oil seal or not. (the tech manual lists different parts for it. theres only 2 pieces in the kit, thats 2 bearings only)
Question:

the bearing sits on the axle spacer which is free to move this much?


Ducati S2R1000 Axle Spacer

ducpainter

#18
December 19, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
When the bearings aren't make the beast with two backsed like yours...

there is far less movement.  ;)
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manwithgun

#19
December 19, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: He Man on December 19, 2011, 04:50:18 PM

Question:

the bearing sits on the axle spacer which is free to move this much?


Once you install the new bearings, check to make sure that the spacer is centered and in contact with both inner bearing races to prevent side loading when the axle nut is torqued.   If the spacer is too short or has been damaged it could lead to premature bearing failure.  I would also review my wheel installation procedure to insure there is no front end play.  The sloppy spacer in the video doesn't worry me because it's lacking the inner race and the axle...
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MongoReturns

#20
December 19, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
The good news is you needed to replace those anyway - mine are grinding my axle down.  Yep, they're on the list  [clap]

Good luck!

Oh while you're doing those throw some grease on (preferably in) the hoop swingarm heim joints.  I'm sure mine are eating themselves; bad shape 5 or so years ago when I last greased them.
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#21
December 20, 2011, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: manwithgun on December 19, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
I would also review my wheel installation procedure to insure there is no front end play.  The sloppy spacer in the video doesn't worry me because it's lacking the inner race and the axle...
Sloppy because there's no inner race is OK. Sloppy because the axle is not there is NOT OK as far as I know. There should be very little (~ 1mm) wiggle area between the spacer and the inner races of the bearings.

As for the wheel installation, with the wheel on the bike with all the bolts tight and the calipers OFF the rotors, the front wheel should be able to do at least 2 - 3 complete rotations. Less than that and there is too much pressure on the bearings' inner races which will lead to premature wear.
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He Man

#22
December 21, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
alright kit doenst come with an oil seal and it was never an option when ordering. going to install the bearings and go find some seals tomorrow at the local duc shop.

ducatiz

#23
December 21, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: He Man on December 21, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
alright kit doenst come with an oil seal and it was never an option when ordering. going to install the bearings and go find some seals tomorrow at the local duc shop.

the seal is integral to the bearing.

The SKF type number is usually something like 6xxx-2RS.  The S means sealed.
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#24
December 21, 2011, 09:54:51 PM Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 10:07:21 PM by He Man
the bearing is sealed, but the manual shows a seperate part for the oil seal, it only exists on one side. The side with the oil seal is also the side that i blew out.


"Repeat the same procedure for
the other bearing, which does not
have an oil seal."

on the parts catalog its "seal ring 0000.64471". $10.99 from ducati omaha, will check ducati soho if they have one within reasonable overpriced range.

ducatiz

#25
December 21, 2011, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: He Man on December 21, 2011, 09:54:51 PM
on the parts catalog its "seal ring 0000.64471". $10.99 from ducati omaha, will check ducati soho if they have one within reasonable overpriced range.

that part number means it's not specific to Ducati.  If you can find someone taking apart their wheel, I bet you can find it else where for 38¢
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He Man

#26
December 21, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
this looks like it, going to check NAPA autoparts first since its close by. and then pepboys.


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16 x 24 x 4mm

Langanobob

#27
December 22, 2011, 02:14:01 AM
He Man,

First, good luck with  your finals, they are over now?

Second, and this isn't helpful for your bearing repair, just a comment from the peanut gallery from a guy who is one of the worst bike maintainers ever.   It sure looks to me like those bearings were toast long before you hit the pothole.  Maybe it was coincidence or the pothole was kind of the coup d'grace (?)

ducpainter

#28
December 22, 2011, 04:17:39 AM
Quote from: He Man on December 21, 2011, 09:54:51 PM
the bearing is sealed, but the manual shows a seperate part for the oil seal, it only exists on one side. The side with the oil seal is also the side that i blew out.


"Repeat the same procedure for
the other bearing, which does not
have an oil seal."

on the parts catalog its "seal ring 0000.64471". $10.99 from ducati omaha, will check ducati soho if they have one within reasonable overpriced range.

Is that the left side?

I think the seal is just a dust seal on the spacer...a carryover from the old speedo drive days.
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    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


He Man

#29
December 22, 2011, 07:17:33 AM
ill check if i can put it together without it.


and yes, finals are now over. thank god because ive never had a semester this tough. today is the first day ive slept ass 5am in forever. consdiering i go to sleep around 2-3 or not even at all!!


Anyway, back on topic, those bearings were defintely on the way out. considering they've been through 30,000 city miles, too many pot holes to count, ridden through 2 hurricanes for over 500 miles in 1 shot each time, left ot bake in the sun, left ot freeze in the cold....etc. ive always greased the axle when i can, but u cant repack sealed bearings so, whatever. it was only a $13 repair.


and it also lead me to find out why my damn bike kept shutting off!!! theres a break in my rear cylinder spark plug wire. i have 2 plugs for the rear (DS) which is why it happens at random and the bike still has power, and stays on while riding just has trouble idling. atleast i hope that is the problem. repalced the wire and last night it idled fine. now off to check if i can throw the wheel on without the oil seal.
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