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Started by Howley, February 11, 2012, 04:15:31 AM

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February 11, 2012, 04:15:31 AM Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 05:01:01 AM by Howley
So I did some work on the tank this morning and after getting it back together, I tried to start it. It cranked over, but the it was slowing down a bit and I didn't want to kill the battery. That's cool, I wasn't worried just figured it needed time to get the fuel going.
Jump to the afternoon, I came back to try it again as I'd had it on the battery tender a few hours. This time it turned over about twice, then the starter motor just whirred, now it just clicks at the solenoid. What changed in those two hours?

I'm yet to run any tests to work it out. I think its about time I up-rated the cables.

ducpainter

#1
February 11, 2012, 04:29:28 AM
Sounds like a bad connection.

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Howley

#2
February 11, 2012, 06:59:39 PM
So I tried it this morning. It is actually turning the motor, but hardly at all. I jumped from the battery directly to the starter and it was exactly the same, which leads me to believe something is up with the starter.
Any suggestions on what could cause the starter to suddenly pack it in?

corey

#3
February 11, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
not sure how old the bike is, but maybe age? wear and tear?
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#4
February 12, 2012, 03:48:45 AM
How old is the battery?
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Howley

#5
February 12, 2012, 03:56:20 AM
Yeah sorry. It's a '94 M900. Battery is probably 2.5 years old, not much use out of it in that time. I read 12.5V across the terminals with the engine off.

ducpainter

#6
February 12, 2012, 04:22:37 AM
Testing the starter with the same battery doesn't really prove anything other than your connections  probably are OK.

Do you have access to another known good battery you can test the starter with?
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Howley

#7
February 12, 2012, 05:54:11 AM
Yeah I was thinking the same. I'll have to try it with my car battery.

corey

#8
February 12, 2012, 08:36:11 AM
94 was what, 18 years ago? might be time to grab a new starter even if this one isn't entirely dead, rather than get stranded when it DOES go, right?
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#9
February 12, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
I might end up doing that. What bikes have compatible starters? Is guess any 2v prior to the 696?

Speeddog

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February 12, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: Howley on February 12, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
I might end up doing that. What bikes have compatible starters? Is guess any 2v prior to the 696?

AFAIK, starters were pretty much the same for a long while, up until the (I think) 1100 when ratios changed.

But, need more confirmation.
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#11
February 13, 2012, 03:49:10 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on February 12, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
AFAIK, starters were pretty much the same for a long while, up until the (I think) 1100 when ratios changed.

But, need more confirmation.
I think you're right.

I think the only difference is the drive gear.
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#12
February 13, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: Howley on February 12, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
I might end up doing that. What bikes have compatible starters? Is guess any 2v prior to the 696?

I have a '94 M900 and had to replace my starter last year. If you decide to go this route, check out this vendor:

http://www.stockers.com/index.php?dt=DS-101N

I ordered from them and it was the best price I found - I'm not affiliated with them at all.

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Howley

#13
February 13, 2012, 08:15:11 PM
Thanks for the link!

Howley

#14
February 13, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
Update. I tried it out with my car battery and it was exactly the same. Time to pull the starter motor by the looks of it. It's a pin in the ass because I need to do the stator coil too, but I can't bloody find one.
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