S2R1K valve adj

Started by Nick_Knipp, April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 AM

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Nick_Knipp

i need as muchinfo on how to adj the valves. the bike is in the shop now and i have 2 weeks to get this done. i do not have time to buy a book and read it.

lay it on me guys
"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

BMiller

Quote from: Nick_Knipp on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 AM
i need as muchinfo on how to adj the valves. the bike is in the shop now and i have 2 weeks to get this done. i do not have time to buy a book and read it.

lay it on me guys

Go to youtube or ducatisuite and look.  Chris from CA Cycleworks has some videos that walk you right through it.
2003 Ducati 748S

Nick_Knipp

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i would also like to make sure that the S2R1K has 2 timing belts. does anyone know? correct me if im wrong please.

and how much would shims/gaskets cost for this bike? I dont have those tools/parts
"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

Slide Panda

Yes - one belt for each cylinder.

YOu should pick up the technical manual for your bike. It will have the process and exact measurements.

But if the bike is in the shop, how are you doing this?
-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

Nick_Knipp

Quote from: Sad Panda on April 17, 2012, 08:43:21 AM
Yes - one belt for each cylinder.

YOu should pick up the technical manual for your bike. It will have the process and exact measurements.

But if the bike is in the shop, how are you doing this?

ok two belts, thank you.

I would like to one day, its in my colleges shop and this is the first time ive ever serviced a motorcycle of this degree. im normally an automotive mechanic. so I dont have to pay the labor(cant afford that)
"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

Slide Panda

The process is not hard, but don't rush it. The mentioned videos are a good starting spot, but predate you bike a touch. The DS (Dual Spark) have tighter belt tensions than the ones in the video.

Don't try to cheat and leave the belts on - you will not get accurate numbers when you check the clearances.
-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

He Man

try a search for the forum, youll find a lot...

Nick_Knipp

Quote from: Sad Panda on April 17, 2012, 08:47:46 AM
The process is not hard, but don't rush it. The mentioned videos are a good starting spot, but predate you bike a touch. The DS (Dual Spark) have tighter belt tensions than the ones in the video.

Don't try to cheat and leave the belts on - you will not get accurate numbers when you check the clearances.

So valve adj has to be done in between changing the timing belts?
"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

Slide Panda

In between? Well you need the belts off to check the valves regardless of if you're changing out to a new set of belts, or the current ones are good to go for a bit longer.
-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

Smokescreen

I've never removed the belts to do valve adjustments.  I went with the instructions in LT Snyder's book which used the crank to find TDCC.  If the belts are off you'd have to find TDCC on the crank, then separately on the cam?

Why would the readings be less accurate with the belts on? The belts are on every time the bikes are run, which would imply that the most accurate method of verifying clearances would be the method by which the motorcycle utilizes those methods? As in, with the belts attached. Am I missing something here? Seriously confused now
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Nick_Knipp

Quote from: Sad Panda on April 17, 2012, 09:54:53 AM
In between? Well you need the belts off to check the valves regardless of if you're changing out to a new set of belts, or the current ones are good to go for a bit longer.

Nope belt needs to be replaced at 15k miles. Im 56 miles over that already
"Its funny, y'alls pretty Japanese bikes have 1300cc 4 cylinder motors and crank out some nice torque and horses, but my Ducati has 2 cylinders and y'all still trying to keep up with me!"

Nick Knipp, 2011

He Man

Quote from: Smokescreen on April 17, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
I've never removed the belts to do valve adjustments.  I went with the instructions in LT Snyder's book which used the crank to find TDCC.  If the belts are off you'd have to find TDCC on the crank, then separately on the cam?

Why would the readings be less accurate with the belts on? The belts are on every time the bikes are run, which would imply that the most accurate method of verifying clearances would be the method by which the motorcycle utilizes those methods? As in, with the belts attached. Am I missing something here? Seriously confused now


Since the belts are tensioned there is force on the cam and will falsely apply pressure on the valve arms. without the belts there are no forces on the arm so you get a more accurate reading.

Slide Panda

Yep. You need to determine the clearance at it's maximum. Can't do that with the belts on as you'll get opener values less than what they really are most times. And if you use the measure the opener side- while pushing on the closer arm arm technique to get your closer shim numbers then both sets are buggered.

When checking the valves crank position really doesn't matter, with the belts off that is. Of course when you're putting stuff back together it sure as shit does.

But yeah - belts of for checks.
-Throttle's on the right, so are the brakes.  Good luck.
- '00 M900S with all the farkles
- '08 KTM 690 StupidMoto
- '07 Triumph 675 Track bike.

brad black

it's much, much easier to do with the belts off.

there's been lots of threads recently about clearances on ds motors.  if you can't be bothered reading them or finding tools, parts, etc, i wonder why you're bothering at all.
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WetDuc

You sound like you are rushed for time.  I think you will need at least one manual if you have no experience doing a valve adjustment.
In the manual you will find the tools you need and procedure for the job.
Trying to explain it all in typing on the forum is not quick so I would not expect a valve procedure to be found online that outlines every step.
The duc.nu website will sell you a manual for immediate download, I believe.  My LT Snyder manual arrived from EMS two days after I ordered it.

Also, if you won't get at a manual, at least look at an exploded parts diagram so you can see how the valvetrain functions.  Without kind of understanding how the valvetrain cycles, doing an adjustment may be a fast way to instead screw something up.
2007 S2R1000, 2009 M696 & 2008 M695 (foster bikes)