MWR + Mota-Lab Tune = Awesome!

[Amlethae]

Been a bit busy riding and enjoying but I had to drop a line and give mad props and  to the guys over at mota-lab. 

I grabbed the MWR filter & the MWR power up kit from them.  In addition I sent them my stock ECU and had them flash a tune for the new intake(s) along with my Termi slip-ons (also removed the exhaust flap and O2 sensors).  Finally got this stuff all installed and hooked up yesterday and the bike feels completely different.  The 1100 was a torque brute to begin with, but you can taste the difference this makes (I gotta really assume the tune made the biggest difference having tuned and bolted-on other vehicles in my time, I can tell what a good tune can do vs. an intake).  The bike starts right up (imagine that!), I can ride around in first and second with no issues/jerking/lurching at all (I had read someone else say this but I was completely skeptical), and of course the power in every gear is dramatically increased.  So yeah, if anyone has any questions hit me up.  Here's the rundown of the relavant mods:

M1100 w/ABS
Termi Slip-ons w/o DBkillers
MWR Intake Filter
MWR Power-Up Kit
Mota-Lab ECU Tune

Oh, I forgot to mention, the intakes and ECU flash all came in under $500 including shipping.  So yeah, it's a great freaking way to go if you don't want to splurge for the WASP kit.  Leaves money in the wallet for the PC V + Autotune... which I'll do later in the summer I think... for the moment I don't really think it's necessary... I'm very happy! 

Thanks Mota-Lab! 

[He Man]

havent seen you here for a bit!

thats one killer price. though i cant say im a big fan of pod filters for a commuting bike. cant imagine you need more torque on an 1100!

we are having a dim sum meet n greet tomorrow in queens, theres about 4 guys from NYMMC boards coming along if your down to show the bike off for a bit. I cant stay to ride unforuntely, just going to grab some food and then head off to school. check out the local board for details.

[Amlethae]

havent seen you here for a bit!

we are having a dim sum meet n greet tomorrow in queens, theres about 4 guys from NYMMC boards coming along if your down to show the bike off for a bit. I cant stay to ride unforuntely, just going to grab some food and then head off to school. check out the local board for details.

Yeah this job I've been working for over a year now has me working about 70 hours a week with no days off and no time to frequent the board, but I'm still around! 

Sadly though I'll be working all day tomorrow and can't get away... only one day off a month and yesterday I was installing these bad boys!  Sometime this summer though I hope to have some free time so keep me updated!!

thats one killer price. though i cant say im a big fan of pod filters for a commuting bike. cant imagine you need more torque on an 1100!

Not pod filters... the air box is still maintained.  These are what I installed:

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(the red bits)
Just required dremeling holes into the air box and screwing filter to it instead.  So I get to maintain the turbulence-free air while stuck in midtown traffic ;-)

[ungeheuer]

I grabbed the MWR filter & the MWR power up kit from them.  In addition I sent them my stock ECU and had them flash a tune for the new intake(s) along with my Termi slip-ons (also removed the exhaust flap and O2 sensors).  Finally got this stuff all installed and hooked up yesterday and the bike feels completely different.  The 1100 was a torque brute to begin with, but you can taste the difference this makes (I gotta really assume the tune made the biggest difference having tuned and bolted-on other vehicles in my time, I can tell what a good tune can do vs. an intake).  The bike starts right up (imagine that!), I can ride around in first and second with no issues/jerking/lurching at all (I had read someone else say this but I was completely skeptical), and of course the power in every gear is dramatically increased. 

  More than one way to skin a duCATi  . 

Did you use a 696 midpipe to de-flapper your exhaust?

[Amlethae]

Did you use a 696 midpipe to de-flapper your exhaust?

Not yet, it's definitely in the plans... just need to pick one up cheap somewhere.  I'll probably aim to do it the same time I go with the PC Autotune because I assume it'll be a good time to do the O2 Sensors and the pipe at the same time.  For now I just yanked the motor out.  Bike runs fine, but I'm sure it'd run a little better without that thing in the middle there.

[Slim1899]

Awesome info!  I'd been looking at the MWR filters...looks like I'll be adding this to my already long to do list!!! 

[Amlethae]

Do it!  Wish I had done it sooo much sooner, if the bike felt like this from the factory it would hands down be the best bike (in its category) on the market!

[Slim1899]

Do it!  Wish I had done it sooo much sooner, if the bike felt like this from the factory it would hands down be the best bike (in its category) on the market!

I can see the future...I'm envisioning a very angry wife this summer 

[wannabfast]

numbers man! numbers!

my 796 pulled a 75 on the dyno, bone stock, i now have an air filter, slip-ons, and sprocket, feels like a totally different beast, i havent flashed the ecu yet as money has been tight the last few months, and my 7500 service is coming up and i need a new rear tire...
i gotta stop riding this thing, but its just too much fun to put down

[Mau]

Thanks for the feedback Amlethae!

I have been thinking of getting the MWR filter set (including the power up kit) for my 1100 EVO. My main question is: Do I really need to re-flash the ECU to see a change?

My knowledge is very limited so please excuse me if i don't make any sense. 

My stock Monster still has the O2 sensor and I would think my stock ECU should regulate the fuel mix air/gas on its own.  I am expecting that the new filter set will allow the engine to breath easier and thus improve the combustion.  Just like a KN&N filter increases hp in a car without requiring a reflash or chance of the ECU.

I would appreciate everyone's advice on this.
Thanks!

[wannabfast]

Thanks for the feedback Amlethae!

My stock Monster still has the O2 sensor and I would think my stock ECU should regulate the fuel mix air/gas on its own.  I am expecting that the new filter set will allow the engine to breath easier and thus improve the combustion.  Just like a KN&N filter increases hp in a car without requiring a reflash or chance of the ECU.

I would appreciate everyone's advice on this.
Thanks!

apparently the ecu only reads the O2 sensors under 2% throttle, the rest of the time its just on closed loop, making having the o2 sensors pretty much pointless

[ungeheuer]

apparently the ecu only reads the O2 sensors under 2% throttle, the rest of the time its just on closed loop, making having the o2 sensors pretty much pointless

Incorrect.  And a complete misunderstanding of what is and is not open and closed loop.  For a proper explanation of open vs closed loop try this >> http://www.bikeboy.org/open_closed_loop_efi.html

I have been thinking of getting the MWR filter set (including the power up kit) for my 1100 EVO. My main question is: Do I really need to re-flash the ECU to see a change?

No. But your Monster would be running too lean IMO (they already run on the lean side as stock in order to scrape thru emissions compliance testing).  So if you add the ability in inhale more air, you ought really to match that by adding the ability to inject a corresponding increase in fuel.  Nothing to be gained by just breathing more air if there's no accompanying additional fuel.  One way to increase the fuelling rate is to have your ECU reflashed accordingly.  Another is to add a piggyback fuelling device such as a PCV.  There are arguments in favour of each, which I wont go into here.
 

My stock Monster still has the O2 sensor and I would think my stock ECU should regulate the fuel mix air/gas on its own.  I am expecting that the new filter set will allow the engine to breath easier and thus improve the combustion.

The stock O2s are narrowband lambdas.... all they do within the closed loop is report back to the ECU "too lean" or "too rich" around a target AFR of 14.7:1.  They dont measure by how much too lean or rich.  So... for arguments sake, if you added your MWR intake kit and did nothing else, within the closed loop the ECU would simply report "too lean" earlier than it did when the intake was stock.  The ECU would add fuel - not more fuel.. but an amount to bring you equal to where you were before you leaned it out - thus gaining absolutely nothing at all.  A self defeating circle.

Outside of the closed loop - in stock open loop.... which from memory is something like above 4500rpm - the O2 sensors do nothing at all.  Fuelling is controlled entirely by the ECU's integrated fuel mapping.  Its here in open loop that your bike will run too lean.  The ECU will order up the same fuelling rate as it always did, although with your MWR kit you'll be drawing in a greater proportion of air to go with that predefined fuel.  And therefore be too lean.

Just like a KN&N filter increases hp in a car without requiring a reflash or chance of the ECU.

It doesnt.  It simply allows freer airflow.  And as I've been attempting to describe, you dont get more power from a leaner AFR, but rather having the ability to inhale more air combined with an appropriate increase in fuel will generate more power.

Hope that helps.

[koko64]

 Thats a good explanation Unge.

[Mhanis]

Please continue the education.......................


If I do all of the above that the OP did including the ECU flash, what will the Power Commander V gain me? If the ECU is reflashed does that not cause the bike to run "less lean"? Isn't that esentially what the PCV do "on the fly"?


Mark

[wannabfast]

Please continue the education.......................


If I do all of the above that the OP did including the ECU flash, what will the Power Commander V gain me? If the ECU is reflashed does that not cause the bike to run "less lean"? Isn't that esentially what the PCV do "on the fly"?


Mark

i think it would depend on how the reflash was done and the settings, the pcv could be fine tuned to run whereever you are, but if you have access to software you can retune it yourself, it can be just as good