Ducati S2R 1100 EVO (minus the ABS and all that fancy shit)

[He Man]

thanks, its all these small ticket items im stuck on right now. mainly waiting for this damn pickup sensor. i figure i have less than 5 hours of work and a combined total of 50 hours of work to do this.

raux, is it the pair or just the one off the crank?

[BastrdHK]

What happened to the logo?  Did you heat/melt it?  It looks awesome.....like molten metal fell on your tank and formed DUCATI in a apocalyptic, dark art kind of way.  Really cool picture!

I am sorry if I missed this, but the stock DS 1000 MM ecu can run the EVO motor which is Siemens ECU?  I want to do this soooo bad, and am looking for 2009-2010 M1100 engine because it has a dry clutch.  Other than compression (10.7 to 11.3), better cams and a wet clutch....how is the M1100 EVO any better?  Does anyone know if any significant improvements were made in head design, overall engine strength/reliability, internal weight savings (lighter gears, transmission) etc?  Are the cams and compression making the extra 5hp at the crank?

[Raux]

thanks, its all these small ticket items im stuck on right now. mainly waiting for this damn pickup sensor. i figure i have less than 5 hours of work and a combined total of 50 hours of work to do this.

raux, is it the pair or just the one off the crank?

the large one on the crank

[He Man]

THat was the paint stripper that stripped he black paint underneath the decal that i removed last. the EVO motor is just a motor. It doenst matter what ECU controls it, so as long as you have control over the TBs and spark you are good to go.

there are suppose to be a lot of differences between the 1100 and 1100 EVO on the monster.

including larger valves, hotter cam, higher compression, light weight vacuum process casting for the case halves, improved routing for oil and some other small things. ive seen really high RWHP compared to the regular 1100.

Raux, i need the one that feeds the main belt pully, not the one on the crank.

[Raux]

yeah this is the one that sits with the flywheel

[He Man]

The fly wheel is on the crankshaft, the timing gear comes in a pair. one on the crank shaft, which conencts to the clutch and the other connects to the main pulley drive.

[BastrdHK]

the EVO motor is just a motor. It doenst matter what ECU controls it, so as long as you have control over the TBs and spark you are good to go.

I am stepping into deeper water with the electronics, so I am practicing my doggy paddle.  I thought you could get in trouble if ECU wasn't matched to the throttle bodies/injectors it was intended for, but I guess it is just sending little electrical pulses to those components.  If someone knows what they are doing with reflash and tuning they can make almost any ECU send the right quantity and intensity of little electrical pulses to anything.  The bigger issue, as in your case, is having an ECU that matches your existing wiring/mounting locations.

there are suppose to be a lot of differences between the 1100 and 1100 EVO on the monster.including larger valves, hotter cam, higher compression, light weight vacuum process casting for the case halves, improved routing for oil and some other small things. ive seen really high RWHP compared to the regular

So would you mind sharing you research (this question is open to anyone by the way)?  It would be interesting to know the actual weight savings....it can't be more than a pound or two on the cases right?  How much more RWHP are we talking about?

I guess my dilemma is this:  I have an '01 M900, I could build that out with a $7500 budget and have a great motor, but would be lucky to get 100 rwhp, and reliability would be a concern.

2nd option:  Find a good '09/'10 M1100 donor b/c I want a dry clutch, I am buying a basically Ducati's 1080cc big bore kit.  There are not many significant changes between the S2R1000 and M1100 they are just big bore S2R1000s.  I would still be spending $5k to port/flow heads, install big valves, lighten/balance internals, etc to crack the magic 100rwhp barrier.

3rd option:  Find an 1100EVO donor, where Ducati had done the headwork, valves and internals for me, and spend much less getting it to 100rwhp.

I am glad you are taking this on HeMan.  Somebody has to pave the way, and there doesn't seem to be much info out there.

[Dirty Duc]

I am stepping into deeper water with the electronics, so I am practicing my doggy paddle.  I thought you could get in trouble if ECU wasn't matched to the throttle bodies/injectors it was intended for, but I guess it is just sending little electrical pulses to those components.  If someone knows what they are doing with reflash and tuning they can make almost any ECU send the right quantity and intensity of little electrical pulses to anything.  The bigger issue, as in your case, is having an ECU that matches your existing wiring/mounting locations.

Fuel injection is at least as simple as carburetors if you are computer savvy enough to type html code in you posts.  For in-depth coverage, I highly recommend Bowling and Grippo at http://www.megasquirt.info/

As I understand He Man's project, he is using the S2R1K throttle bodies, injectors and the other sensors are the same (just in different locations).  The only intrinsic problem is the dual spark setup for his ECU.  I do not believe this will be a problem as Ducati used the same ECU for all the bikes... if it were me I would pick the spark map from maybe an ST2 for a baseline and meld it with a "whole hog" 2v fuel map to get it on the dyno.  (okay, if I was really doing it I would go microsquirt with a 2-1 exhaust and a wideband, but I am less risk-adverse than is probably healthy)

3rd option:  Find an 1100EVO donor, where Ducati had done the headwork, valves and internals for me, and spend much less getting it to 100rwhp.

I am glad you are taking this on HeMan.  Somebody has to pave the way, and there doesn't seem to be much info out there.

+1

I am mostly excited to hear the SxR swing arm fits...

[He Man]

ive had it up to HERE (points as high as he can) with the small little bullshit things i need to do.

1) waiting on the pickup sensor that will never come.
2) waiting on a tool to get the boot of this last spark plug wire in.
3) cant find my flux and cant find my soldering iron to make the longer starter cable wire.
4) I havent got a clue how to get the oil temp sensor to work. ive zipe tied the probe to the inside frame and the wire on the harness to the frame as well and im going to buy a oil temp reader that fits in the fill port. The probe side is 2 wire and the pickup side is 1 wire.
5) i still cant find my flux so i cant solder on the generator wire.

AHHHHH. Those are the only things holding me back from putting the tank and seat on. I am rebuiding the HID wire harness to make it simpler and trying to include a dual FIAM horn onto it.

I cut off ALL the mounting tabs for the wires so everything is hidden as best as i could. the starter motor and both coils now live around the battery tray.

the dual spark isnt a problem. the plugs dont spark seperately, they spark just once. brad black says that there are two notches on the timing gear that sits on the main pully. That menas you read twice as many signals if u are on the merelli ECU. The solution is to swap to the single gear on the HM1100 or the stock S2R 1000.

Ducati did not use the same ECU for all bikes. the 2010 + bikes run an entirely different ECU.

I am hauling the bike to the shop, not riding it, so i cant control what map is on there. thats what im paying the shop to do.

the 01 900 is a weak joke compared to the DS1000. just like the DS1000 is outdated when compared to the EVO1100.

The m1100 to my knowledge is just a bigger bore. its the exact same specs otherwise.

the EVO1100 is also a wetclutch too. thats something else to look at.

[Raux]

I'm confused.
I thought the Evo was a single spark, the M1100 pre-evo a dual spark.

[He Man]

Yes you are correct, but it doesnt matter. Its like  Y splitter. Signal goes in, both plugs fire at once. I swapped and used S2R800 coils. so instead of dual output its single output.

[He Man]

Sneak preview. Hoping to get my blog up about it by tomorrow.

[He Man]

Heres the blog. Its A LOT Of pictures and i dont have the time to re do the code for the forum. anyway, enjoy guys!

http://kuixihe.com/S2R1100

[Travman]

You and your bike have been through a lot. Can't wait to hear about your impressions when you get it back out on the road.   

[He Man]

I cant wait either. the dyno tune is this friday.

i turned her over without the plugs (and no oil) and the battery sounds like its having a hard time cranking her.

As suspected, the double pickup on the timing gear is an issue. Normally the starter cycles for a predetermined set of cycles, i think its 8, since the bike will stop cycling after 4 attempts now. Reason being, it is now reading twice the cycle rate, so either the gear needs to be swapped out, or its something that can be set inside the ECU.

i think swapping the gear would be easiest. if i swap gears then i will need to change the whole shabang myself since i need time for the bonding agent to cure, unless i can get a fast set one. anyone know one that will cure quickly?