Termignoni kit vs put together

[Speedbeaver]

First off, yes I'm an engineer so I tend to over-analyze things..

So I'm looking at options for my exhaust & general bike performance upgrades for my 696 and this is what I came up with...
Is the Termignoni kit actualy pricy? When you break down the parts list it doesn't seem so bad.

Leo Vince LV-One carbon ± $690 (one of the cheapest Quality carbon slip-ons available, Danmoto quality is so-so as I hear so I don't consider it)
K&N air filter ± $80
Power Commander V ± $400
Dyno session for tuning ± $300
DIY air intake mod (following the mesurements you can find in a few threads)
Total: $1470 + tx

Pros:
-Tuned perfectly for your driving style
-Probably a better HP gain all over the rev curve
-Satisfaction of having done it yourself-ish
Cons:
-Bike could run badly before the dyno tuning
-COULD void the warranty if there is mechanical issues with the bike after the mods
-Lots of time spend fine tuning

VS

Ducati Monster 696/796/1100 Termignoni Exhaust (Carbon) ± $1500 + tx
Pros:
-Everything is bolt on, no modifications required
-Install and drive away on the spot
-Keeps Ducati warranty
Cons:
-Ecu already programmed and maybe not as efficient as a custom tune
-Pricy? realy?


I know some of these items, including the Termi kit could be found at a lower price during sales but this is just a rough analysis.

Also, I know some people would say that you could just put slip ons and change the air filter but from what I read here, the bike could be having issues (running lean, hesitation) and also your warranty could be voided as a result.

I'm just wondering why people would chose to go the "put together" way instead of just buying a Termi kit off the bat?

[Slide Panda]

How's it void the warranty?

[Speedbeaver]

How's it void the warranty?

Maybe it's different in the USA but here in Canada my Ducati dealer was crystal clear: If you have problems and the aftermarket part is the most probable cause, you're on your own.

I guess I should edit my previous post to "COULD void the warranty"

[Slide Panda]

As you've guessed, I don't know the CA laws. But in the US, modifications do not void the warranty in a blanket manner. Like adding a power commander would to impact a claim on the clutch master.

Now if you chop the air box up, get things over lean and burn a hole in a piston... then you'll be SOL as that modification can be directly tied to the issue you're making a claim on.

Basically the US law prevents the manufacturer from rejecting claims on unrelated grounds/making modifications does not automagically void the warranty in toto.

[duccarlos]

Panda is correct. If you just put a slip-on the bike, you'll be able to run the bike without the need of a PC. You will definitely have to tune it if you open the airbox or use pods. The Termi kit comes with everything you need for the bike to run perfectly. The kit is definitely expensive and IMHO is not even the best looking exhaust out there, but it's definitely going to get you results the quickest. The other option might force you into not getting the bike running 100% right, but if you're looking for a unique look, it's the only way to go!

[Raux]

Actually there are a lot of reasons to go custom package vs Termi

individuality, price, ease of tuning, etc.

A termi setup is a complete package, but it's just that complete. to make any adjustments you'll have to add a PCV or get a tuneup at a shop that can do ECU mapping. BTW PCV has a map for adjusting and improving the Termi setup

With a custom package you can go high or low with the price
Besides DanMoto, there are several lower priced cans including Roads Italia and more (look at the sticky thread on 696 exhausts).
and PCV isn't necessarily your only option. several companies including Two Brothers put out fuelers for modifying your fuel once you start changing intakes/exhausts

another option is an ECU reflash. Rexxer and other companies make systems that allow you to custom map your ecu for whatever setup you have. at a lower cost than a PCV or the like, in many cases.

the Termi filter isn't the most or only high flow filter, BMC, MWR and others make some great filter kits. including going all the way to pod filters.

as far as warranty IIRC, it's true, that it COULD, but they have to prove it DID affect the failure.

in the end, it's all about personal preference. My first Monster (in 99) I didn't know about the options and I picked up the Ti termis (not even with filter or chip) and loved them. This Monster, didn't even think about Termis as I bought/customized in stages.

[Speedbeaver]

That's good information there Raux, Thanks.

[Nero-92]

Go with the dyno tune you said it yourself costum tuned for your riding style.

[DucNaked]

Go with the dyno tune you said it yourself costum tuned for your riding style.

If your going to go for a dyno tune an ECU flash is a must. You need to get rid of the closed loop portion of the map (4500rpm and below) so the PCV can tune it.

[ungeheuer]

The 696 slip-on Termi kit is a fixed upgrade offering negligible real performance improvement in my FHE.

The custom route is open-ended.  You choose when you've done enough.  As Raux pointed out already....so many options  .

If you wanna play "safe".... go the off-the-peg Termi option.....

If you're prepared to work at it a little......   

If your going to go for a dyno tune an ECU flash is a must. You need to get rid of the closed loop portion of the map (4500rpm and below) so the PCV can tune it.

Whilst it wouldnt be absolutely ideal, you could still run closed loop and tune where you can (above 4500).  But like you, I wouldnt.