A Diavel in Monster clothing

[jaxduc]

 

[hbliam]

I doubt very much that it handles as well or better than a new style monster.. and DEFINETLY doubt that it out performs a Street fighter.  If that were true, by your logic, a diavel should beat a street fighters lap time on any given track day in side by side comparison. Well, we all now thats just ridiculous. DTC, ABS, launch control.. etc, etc, etc, are rider aides. They prevent you from making mistakes. They interpret bad input (rider) and forward proper input to the ecu in question.  They dont make you a faster rider. They just protect you from yourself as best as they can.

And the systems aren't just about rider input. They help maintain traction when presented with poor or differing road conditions. Ducati wouldn't put these systems on their race bikes if they weren't getting better lap times.

My comment was a general one. The Diavel handles as well or better (due to the electronics) on the street as any of the monsters or street fighters I have ridden. The seating position and setup helps as well, lower center of gravity, huge rear tire to plant off of.

BTW. Have you ridden any of the bikes in question?

[kopfjäger]

I doubt very much that it handles as well or better than a new style monster.. and DEFINETLY doubt that it out performs a Street fighter.  If that were true, by your logic, a diavel should beat a street fighters lap time on any given track day in side by side comparison. Well, we all now thats just ridiculous. DTC, ABS, launch control.. etc, etc, etc, are rider aides. They prevent you from making mistakes. They interpret bad input (rider) and forward proper input to the ecu in question.  They dont make you a faster rider. They just protect you from yourself as best as they can.

Once again, take one for a spin. 

[polivo]

And the systems aren't just about rider input. They help maintain traction when presented with poor or differing road conditions. Ducati wouldn't put these systems on their race bikes if they weren't getting better lap times.

My comment was a general one. The Diavel handles as well or better (due to the electronics) on the street as any of the monsters or street fighters I have ridden. The seating position and setup helps as well, lower center of gravity, huge rear tire to plant off of.

BTW. Have you ridden any of the bikes in question?

You got me there. I have not riden the diavel. I do own an m1100 with clip on for quicker steering. And I have rider a 2011 Sf, which seemed WAY faster and more "flickable" than a old R1 I used to own. However, Ive never riden an f4i, but I KNOW i can get the f4i around a track faster than a diavel due to its geometry , ground clearance and overall design.  In retrospect however, I realize where the debate is.  The word, "handles" is very general and it means differnt things to different people. It seems like for you, "handles" means comfort and ease of use. For some others, like myself, "handles" mean "ease of transition, lean angles, how it behaves in corners while accelarting thru the apex, etc, etc". 

Im sure the diavel is an awesome, super comfortable bike to ride.. likely blazingly fast in straight lines. Personally, id rather a smaller bike, with no dtc or abs.. that I can dive into a corner, trail break.. get back on the gas .. through the apex and hit my markers, and if the shiny side is still up.. its because I managed to keep it up, not the computer.

[hbliam]

It seems like for you, "handles" means comfort and ease of use. For some others, like myself, "handles" mean "ease of transition, lean angles, how it behaves in corners while accelarting thru the apex, etc, etc". 

Im sure the diavel is an awesome, super comfortable bike to ride.. likely blazingly fast in straight lines. Personally, id rather a smaller bike, with no dtc or abs.. that I can dive into a corner, trail break.. get back on the gas .. through the apex and hit my markers, and if the shiny side is still up.. its because I managed to keep it up, not the computer.

My version of handling is more like a mixture of both of your examples. The Diavel behaves in corners better then any monster I've owned. It launches out of the corners better as well, like I said before, planted. The brakes are better as well. The DTC and ABS allow you to do everything you say is important to you, just at a more extreme level.

I'm happy to have the computers help me keep it shiny side up. That little extra bit of confidence inspiring techno makes the Diavel that much more fun. I have a Panigale now. It's dead solid in corners and stupid fast but unusable power on the street.

I've ridden and owned many Ducati's. The Diavel is the only one I regret selling.

[jaxduc]

unusable power on the street.

Does Ducati even sell bikes that actually have usable power on the street?

[MadDuck]

Does Ducati even sell bikes that actually have usable power on the street?

That depends on how you define usable and street.   

[jaxduc]

 
its all pretty much overkill to compensate for whatever it is that we are all overcompensating for...
and POINTLESS to argue over which one is better!
no MINE is better. NO MINE is better. No his is better and I've driven his. his is better than yours. well I have owned one like his before and if you have never ridden his than you don't know. mine is better than everyone’s and you are wrong. No YOU are wrong.

get a room.

[hbliam]

Does Ducati even sell bikes that actually have usable power on the street?

All the Monsters and the Hypers.

[hbliam]

its all pretty much overkill to compensate for whatever it is that we are all overcompensating for...
and POINTLESS to argue over which one is better!
no MINE is better. NO MINE is better. No his is better and I've driven his. his is better than yours. well I have owned one like his before and if you have never ridden his than you don't know. mine is better than everyone’s and you are wrong. No YOU are wrong.

get a room.

Not arguing. Just informing those that haven't ridden a Diavel that its a pretty damn good bike. Not better then, but not worse either.

And where is this new found wisdom from? Aren't you the Panigale hater?

[duccarlos]

Some of the discussion on this thread goes back to the debates about rider aides. For example, if given the choice of having a bike with or without ABS, I will choose the one with. And here come the guys that will say that I'm either a pussy, can't ride a bike or not their cup of tea. I say that I'm not going out there to try to kill myself, so any aid would be appreciated.

[hbliam]

Some of the discussion on this thread goes back to the debates about rider aides. For example, if given the choice of having a bike with or without ABS, I will choose the one with. And here come the guys that will say that I'm either a pussy, can't ride a bike or not their cup of tea. I say that I'm not going out there to try to kill myself, so any aid would be appreciated.

I was of the camp that didn't want the rider aids, until I rode with them. You can actually be more of a hooligan with them then without.

[polivo]

I hate rider aides. I think they make people ham fisted.. why not? you cant ever lock up the breaks anyways?  I recently saw someone lockup the front, almost tucked the front.. This was a new rider with an MS (with abs, so he says). he gets off the bike and says,. "my god the brakes are powerful on that thing (suzuki gz250)". I said no, it just doesnt have abs.

[hbliam]

I hate rider aides. I think they make people ham fisted.. why not? you cant ever lock up the breaks anyways?  I recently saw someone lockup the front, almost tucked the front.. This was a new rider with an MS (with abs, so he says). he gets off the bike and says,. "my god the brakes are powerful on that thing (suzuki gz250)". I said no, it just doesnt have abs.

Which of your bikes had rider aides?

[showerfan]

was this a threadjacking? 

bottom line is this, the diavel is one UGLY freaking hunk of a bike. and i've ridden one, and it was no fun. when you sit on a bike like that it should be heavy and feel like it's made of iron, and it should be someone else's, because it should be a harley. the diavel feels like plastic. lame.

that said, i would like to see it in black with an orange stripe.