Monster 796 2010 Exhaust, ECU upgrade

[G.T.design]

Hello,

I am a bit desperate. Can you please give me a hand at deciding which mods should I choose for my 2010 Monster 796?

There is the dilemma:

Option 1. I can get the "DP Titan Termignoni kit" for a very good price.
Option 2. The second option is that I can get full SC project Exhaust(FULL SYSTEM 2-1 with OVAL SILENCER http://www.sc-project.com/ducati_monster_796_e.htm) for 800Euros which is 7,5 kilos lighter and gives you 5,6HP more.

If I choose "Option 2" and if I buy the Dynojet Powercommander V and Autotune(and fine tune it on a Dyno) and buy the DUC.EE to eliminate the exhaust flapper, what do I have to do to remove the O2 sensor? And do I have to flash the stock ECU?
You see the problem is that the PCV on the official page is specified just for 2011 model. Mine is 2010? Are there any differences in model years?

My greatest question would be, should I go for the Option 1 or Option 2, would it be sensible to go for the PCV and autotune with the Option 1?

Are the OEM collectors a lot worse than the SC Project?

Jeez, I hope I didnt ask too many questions.

Cheers, Gregor

[stopintime]

I'm not an expert on the newer bikes, but I know that the Termi kit is usually considered fool proof, results in smoother running and a nice lift in torque.

The other option might not be as easy to make work - even if the idea of a custom map is tempting.

At €800, I think you have a bargain 

Duc.ee can be added for louder music at lower revs

[Curmudgeon]

Hmmm...
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=111.msg830#msg830

[G.T.design]

Whooops 

Name: Gregor
Location: Slovenia
Bike: Ducati Monster 796 MY 2010
How long you've been riding: I've been riding since I was 17 so since 2007
Anything else you'd like to share: My first bike was the two stroke Aprilia RS 125 2007, it got me "hooked" on motorcycles, especially Italian ones. I regret selling it because it was something special... Then I had the Monster 696 and sold it very quickly because the 796 came out and I immediately fell in love  . It is quite a funny story really, because when I had the 696 I went to the dealer to buy the "DP Termignoni kit" and left with nothing. Nothing, except that BIG headache because I saw the "single swing armed massive rear tyre beauty" called 796 all shiny in the show room  . Well luckily I sold the 696 in one week and bought the 796 and I am keeping it for good because it feels just right for me. Well, that would be it.

 

[DucNaked]

I'm running a SC-Project 2-1 on my 09 M1100s. It's a nicely built system. I have no complaints, and like it better than the Termis. My ECU has been flashed with a Rexxer map that deletes the 02 sensors and the flapper valve(no need for the Duc.ee). I also have installed a MWR air filter. I haven't seen the need  to install a PCV.

[G.T.design]

DucNaked,

I'm almost fully convinced to go for the SC Project exhaust. On their page http://www.sc-project.com/ducati_monster_796_e.htm they sell the co called "MEM power unit" where it, among other things, says that it eliminates sensors. But I've sent an email to them, if this unit can replace the ECU reflash and if it eliminates the flapper valve and the O2 sensor so that closed looped portion of the map can be altered.

What do you think DucNaked?

BTW, thank you for your help!!!

[Raux]

thoughts

Option 1: You get upgaded ECU, Air filter and open air cover, termi slipons

Option 2: you get full system, no ecu, no air filter.
You'll need a Duc.ee as I see nothing included to eliminate the flapper valve error.

The memjet is just a dobeck/twobrothers type fueler, with limited adjustment, but simplistic as well. and additional 168 euro.
Duc.ee is what another 120 euro. filter another 80 and open cover (a DYI mod)

The hp figures are likely the same on the two systems but the SC Project will cost you 378 euro more

The claim on weight drop is from stock system, not on the termi which are also lighter than stock since they dont have catalytic convertors and are lighter materials. yes, you have two cans over one can, but that's about 1-2 kilos extra.

this is one of the few times I would say Termi over another system due to the price.

Termi for 800 euro is not a bad deal. ESPECIALLY Titanium ones.

[Slide Panda]

Yeah, 800 euros for the Termi kit is a good deal. It will be a plug and play affair.

The other exhaust will require more, like the PC-V and possibility some more to get a comprable result.
To answer a question, no you would not need to Flash the ECU - that's the purpose of the PC-V module. I eliminates the need to directly alter the ECU settings.

Buuuuut - what about spending that money on say, suspension?

Though perhaps not as gratifying as you cant say to your buddies that you picked up !0% horsepower, dialed in, better suspension makes way more difference at the end of the day. Back when I started off on a 620 - the base base suspension available and got decently quick on it and *thought* it felt fine. *Though* mind you.
I sold the 620 and picked up a 900S from a member here with an Ohlins shock and forks that had been redone by Race Tech and all set up. The difference of feeling was *MARKED*. That suspension on the 900 felt so much more connected and glued to the ground. More traction, better feel, more comfy.

[G.T.design]

Guys, thank you very much for your help! I have decided to buy the Termignoni kit. I don't know if the SC project would do it for me because it only has one pipe at the end and I really like the stock two pipe configuration. In the future, I will maybe buy custom collectors and flash the Termignoni ECU. When I get the exhaust, probably in February(depends from the Italians  ), I will post some pictures.

[ungeheuer]

...if in the future you do decide to reflash your ECU, my advice FWIW would be to reflash you stock ECU and leave the Termi ECU unmolested.

[G.T.design]

Yeah, 800 euros for the Termi kit is a good deal. It will be a plug and play affair.

The other exhaust will require more, like the PC-V and possibility some more to get a comprable result.
To answer a question, no you would not need to Flash the ECU - that's the purpose of the PC-V module. I eliminates the need to directly alter the ECU settings.

Buuuuut - what about spending that money on say, suspension?

Though perhaps not as gratifying as you cant say to your buddies that you picked up !0% horsepower, dialed in, better suspension makes way more difference at the end of the day. Back when I started off on a 620 - the base base suspension available and got decently quick on it and *thought* it felt fine. *Though* mind you.
I sold the 620 and picked up a 900S from a member here with an Ohlins shock and forks that had been redone by Race Tech and all set up. The difference of feeling was *MARKED*. That suspension on the 900 felt so much more connected and glued to the ground. More traction, better feel, more comfy.

I plan on doing that aswell, but that can be very expensive. Any suggestions about the suspension upgrade? Probably the best thing if I would buy forks and rear chock from lets say 1198?

[Raux]

...if in the future you do decide to reflash your ECU, my advice FWIW would be to reflash you stock ECU and leave the Termi ECU unmolested.

that's my eventual plan as well. The termi ECU has value, the stock-not so much

[G.T.design]

Yes, you have a point here about the ECU...

[Curmudgeon]

I plan on doing that aswell, but that can be very expensive. Any suggestions about the suspension upgrade? Probably the best thing if I would buy forks and rear chock from lets say 1198?

Which forks do you have now? Since it's a 2010, I can't be sure. My 2011 has Marzocchi and it's pretty good actually. If you have Showa, THAT needs help.

A "cheap"  fix for the rear is an Ohlins DU-737 built and sprung for your weight and riding conditions. In the U.S. that was ~ $625-. This will leave you with a suspension which works very well but could be 10% better if you want to spend a fortune. I didn't.

If you have the Marzocchi forks, it might be a good time to change the oil with the correct 7.5W if they aren't quite smooth enough for you.

[G.T.design]

Yes, the 2010 model has Showa 43mm front forks, are they much worse than Marzocchi forks used on 2011 model?
The suspension seems ok, but what I really miss is that progresive feel on the front brakes, they feel a bit numb. Don't get me wrong they still stop very good, but I could do with a bit more feedback from the brake lever...