Monster Wheel Interchangeability

[brad black]

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/57-supersport/154897-wheel-bearings.html

[freeclimbmtb]

I started putting a chart of rotor interchangability together...I didnt get into axle sizing...but its something. 



Like I said.  Its a start.  Also, Id love for this to take off into an "official part interchangability" thread (or something like that) in the DIY or toutorials section.  So if anyone has more stuff to contribute (ahem, Raux..), send it my way and Ill update it.  (goes for wheels, swingarms, brakes, forks, triples, or anything else that might help people make projects easier by using off the shelf parts)

[JohnEE]

I couldn't find the original topic, i found Google's cached one.

Wheel weights by speeddog

Speeddog:
Ended up with a good selection of wheels in my paws all at the same time.
All either bent, broken, FUBAR or absolutely not for sale.

All wheels naked except for bearings and spacers, rear wheels have cush drive inserts too.

All weighed with the same scale, except as noted (*) & (#).

Rears are DSS style.

FRONTS, all 3.50x17

GT1000, 3.50 Union Cycle Steel rim, 36 spokes : 14 lb 1 oz
Sport Classic, 3.50 Excel Aluminum rim, 36 spokes : 11 lb 15 oz
Skinny 3-spoke OEM : one at 11 lb 1 oz, one at 11 lb 11 oz  (WTF?)
Fat 3-spoke OEM : 11 lb 11 oz
Cast Aluminum OEM 5-spoke : 8 lb 15 oz
Cast(?) Aluminum 10-spoke Hypermotard Marchesini OEM 8 lb 14 oz
Forged Aluminum Marchesini 10 spoke (5 Y) 7 lb 11 oz
Forged Aluminum O-Z 5-spoke : 6 lb 15 oz
Cast Magnesium Marchesini 5-spoke : 6 lb 10 oz (*)
Cast Magnesium Marchesini 5-spoke : 6 lb 8 oz
Cast Magnesium Marvic 5-spoke : 6 lb even (includes ding and crack )


REARS, all 5.50x17

DSS
GT1000, 5.50 Union Cycle Steel rim, 36 spokes : 22 lb 0 oz (estimated until i can get a weight for a 180/55-17 Pirelli Angel)
Sport Classic, 5.50 Excel Aluminum rim, 36 spokes : 17 lb 3 oz
Fat 3-spoke OEM : 16 lb 13 oz
5-Y Spoke 749 OEM : 16 lb 4 oz
Cast Aluminum OEM 5-spoke : 15lb 7 oz. 15 lb 3 oz
Forged Aluminum O-Z 5-spoke : 12 lb 8 oz (no cush drives though...)
Cast Magnesium Marchesini 5-spoke : 9 lb 8 oz (*)

SSS
Cast Aluminum 10-spoke Enkei 6.0" from 1198 10 lb 11 oz
Forged Aluminum 10-spoke Marchesini  10 lb 4 oz
Cast(?) Aluminum 10-spoke Hypermotard Marchesini OEM 9 lb 6 oz
Marchesini Cast Magnesium 5 spoke 6.0" 8lb 4 oz
Forged Aluminum 10-spoke Hypermotard-S Marchesini OEM 7 lb 6 oz

REARS, all 4.50x17

DSS
Skinny 3-spoke OEM : 14 lb 1 oz

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(#) = Weighed by Strati many moons ago, not sure how 'naked' they were, rear seems heavy)
(*) = Weighed several years ago on a ~$3k scale
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Edited and updated periodically as I get my hands on naked wheels

Tires:

Pirelli Diablo Rosso II - 190/55-17 - 14 lb 8 oz

To make sure the wheel swap is worth it.

[Roaduser]

I started putting a chart of rotor interchangability together...I didnt get into axle sizing...but its something. 



Like I said.  Its a start.  Also, Id love for this to take off into an "official part interchangability" thread (or something like that) in the DIY or toutorials section.  So if anyone has more stuff to contribute (ahem, Raux..), send it my way and Ill update it.  (goes for wheels, swingarms, brakes, forks, triples, or anything else that might help people make projects easier by using off the shelf parts)

a really important one to add to your chart is that the 998r had 320mm 15mm 6bolt rotors!! just the thing for a 999 fork in early/mid monster conversion. and yes they are damn hard to find, but if your purchasing aftermarket it is a good thing to know.

[Speeddog]

I couldn't find the original topic, i found Google's cached one.

Wheel weights by speeddog
To make sure the wheel swap is worth it.

Here's a real live link:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47036.0

[brad black]

You are correct.

However, if you're *really* dead-set on some wheel swapping, I've heard of 2 different guys in Europe who have put CBR600 wheels on Monsters.  If doing a google-search won't help you, I know I can't...  But I've seen it.  Those are 6-spoke wheels.

i bought this up with johann at moto motivo as he has f2/f3 wheels in an older cb thingy on his site and he said they're heavy.  the later 3 spoke wheels are probably lighter.  lots of the japanese 600/1000 wheels are 3 spoke it seems.  and pricey s/h

[JohnEE]

Are these the S4 wheels?

Front
Cast Aluminum OEM 5-spoke : 8 lb 15 oz
Rear
Cast Aluminum OEM 5-spoke : 15lb 7 oz. 15 lb 3 oz

And these the OEM 3 spokes on the 695?

Front
Skinny 3-spoke OEM : one at 11 lb 1 oz, one at 11 lb 11 oz  (WTF?)
Rear
Skinny 3-spoke OEM : 14 lb 1 oz

If they are then the swap really isn't worth it unless you really want 5 spokes. A little depressing, i found some S4 wheels.

[freeclimbmtb]

Skinny 3-spoke OEM : one at 11 lb 1 oz, one at 11 lb 11 oz  (WTF?)

Dirty wheel? 

[Speeddog]

Are these the S4 wheels?
And these the OEM 3 spokes on the 695?
If they are then the swap really isn't worth it unless you really want 5 spokes. A little depressing, i found some S4 wheels.

Yes, those were S4 wheels, and 3-spokers same as what's on a 695.

Granted, the rear is a bit over a pound heavier, but the front is about 2.5 pounds lighter, and *that* you will definitely notice.

Dirty wheel? 

IIRC, I weighed both of those wheels at the same time, and a visual inspection didn't find any reason. 

[freeclimbmtb]

Well...quick mental juggling act and comparison of densities revealed that one of them is definitely not magnesium while the other is aluminum.  Because assuming they both came from the same mold and the heavy rim is aluminum, an identical mag wheel would be like 7.5lbs (Im really f-ing bored ok?)

Perhaps they made a minor change in the casting from one model year to another? 

[Speeddog]

They were both definitely OEM aluminum wheels.