796 starting issues after shorai battery instal

gitter · February 26, 2013, 10:28:35 AM

Just got off the phone with shorai. Absolutely top notch customer service. Turns out Motomummy sold me a smaller battery than I need ( bike calls for the 18, they sold me the 14). Shorai is sending me the correct battery and only charged me the difference even though I didn't buy it from them. I'll report back once I get the 18 installed

DarkMonster620 · February 26, 2013, 10:49:33 AM

Weird . . I've got a 14 in my bike

gitter · February 26, 2013, 12:38:56 PM

I thought it was odd too. But the shorai website calls for the 18. That and the 18 is what the rep suggested due to the newer ducs having the imobilizer

danaid · February 26, 2013, 09:30:41 PM

Lame.

I have the 14, which was the recommended size with the 18 as an option. I've also had problems with mine before I bought the Shorai charger and keeping the battery charger connected.

*edit* just checked the Shorai web site and all years of monsters now require the LFX-18A1.

I'm gonna call Shorai in the morning to try and up size my battery

He Man · February 26, 2013, 09:39:20 PM

depends on whos asking, and where you ride.

the 18 has more duration. this helps by giving a higher initial kick. and it helps when its cold, and the oil is thick.

you can crank over a 1098 with the 14, or smaller, but it would need to be a thin oil and on a hot day with no other subsystems drawing down.

still, honestly, i dont trust lithium enough to go on a trip with it. AGM is just too work proven to work without any issues.

Howie · February 26, 2013, 10:10:42 PM

Quote from: He Man on February 26, 2013, 09:39:20 PM
depends on whos asking, and where you ride.

the 18 has more duration. this helps by giving a higher initial kick. and it helps when its cold, and the oil is thick.

you can crank over a 1098 with the 14, or smaller, but it would need to be a thin oil and on a hot day with no other subsystems drawing down.

still, honestly, i dont trust lithium enough to go on a trip with it. AGM is just too work proven to work without any issues.

He Man got it, Panama winter is pretty mild.

Something to ponder, folk; if your charging system puts out towards the lower end of 13.5-14.5 volts, oh, lets say 13.7, that really cool It will actually never reach full charge. Then again, that 13.7 will get you better than 90%. Extended idle and low speed operation, particularly while using electric clothing will tend to drain the battery.

DarkMonster620 · February 27, 2013, 04:57:30 AM

Quote from: howie on February 26, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
He Man got it, Panama winter is pretty mild.

Something to ponder, folk; if your charging system puts out towards the lower end of 13.5-14.5 volts, oh, lets say 13.7, that really cool It will actually never reach full charge. Then again, that 13.7 will get you better than 90%. Extended idle and low speed operation, particularly while using electric clothing will tend to drain the battery.

howie, winter here is when it rains temps are the same through out the year, being evenings the "cooler" with as low as 70Â°F but seldomly. the site did state before the the 14 was standard and 18 was upgrade, they might have figured out that the IT had to be the 18 because now, is THE only option

gitter · February 28, 2013, 08:47:17 AM

Battery showed up the day after I talked to shorai. Haven't had a chance to out it in, but I'll report back once i do and see if it solves my problem. A side note, my stock battery is still good, just leave it hooked to the battery tender to keep it charged as a spare?

danaid · February 28, 2013, 10:03:37 AM

Quote from: gitter on February 28, 2013, 08:47:17 AM
Battery showed up the day after I talked to shorai. Haven't had a chance to out it in, but I'll report back once i do and see if it solves my problem. A side note, my stock battery is still good, just leave it hooked to the battery tender to keep it charged as a spare?

Definitely keep the battery plugged in somewhere as a back up, my shorai was giving me trouble so I pulled it out and replaced it with the stock battery before a weekend bike trip.

Stormtrooper · February 28, 2013, 01:08:24 PM

Quote from: gitter on February 28, 2013, 08:47:17 AM
Battery showed up the day after I talked to shorai. Haven't had a chance to out it in, but I'll report back once i do and see if it solves my problem. A side note, my stock battery is still good, just leave it hooked to the battery tender to keep it charged as a spare?

Did you go with Shorai solely for the weight savings? If so...what was the weight of the OEM 796 battery compared to the Shorai?

gitter · February 28, 2013, 02:18:54 PM

Yeah I did it purely for weight, going off of the two websites ( shorai and yuasa) it looks to be about 5.2 lbs lighter, which feels about right when you compare the two

Stormtrooper · February 28, 2013, 02:53:58 PM

That's a decent weight savings for the price. Too bad its caused you so much trouble. The 18 will be heavier than the 14 I assume?

gitter · February 28, 2013, 05:42:08 PM

Yeah but not by a lot. The weight difference I quoted was for the 18. It's a good amount of weight cut for the price.

comparatively speaking, running twice a week would arguably cut that same five pounds....but let's face it...buying shiny bits for my bike is more fun than cardio....

He Man · February 28, 2013, 10:22:03 PM

you dont need to keep your AGM on a charger. its pretty low discharge rate.

if you want, depending on how old it is, i am willing to buy it off you. i need a new batt and the 796 batts are pretty new.

1UglyBastard · March 02, 2013, 05:58:21 AM

I think I would have just gone with Ballistic battery. They only weigh 2.5 lbs, are said to live a long time, and only cost a few bucks more than shorai, from what I saw on their websites.

How much was the bigger shorai?

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