Rickrides
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« on: February 28, 2013, 09:14:11 PM » |
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So, I went to the Calif DMV to change ownership of the 2000 Monster this morning. It had been on "non op" status for several years. Lady tells me the prior owner did not re-register as "non op" for 2010--now so my fees are $810!!!!!!
When I returned to my office I went on the DMV website and it says that once the bike is registered "non op" it is on non op status until the registered owner tells DMV he wants to activate registration. I made an appointment to go back and discuss this with the DMV next Thursday but they may have me as it was not the "registered owner" re-activating the registration but a new owner. I think that the lady should have advised me as I would have had the prior owner--an old friend--re-register the bike at my cost and probably have saved $600.
Typical government BS!
Well, at least I can ride the Monster now.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 11:42:12 PM » |
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A bike will stay on non op until they tell DMV otherwise but I think you still have to pay a non op fee every year.
Did your friend give it to you as a gift or did you buy it from them? If you bought it from them and told DMV that then DMV will collect sales tax on the sale. This is based on what you tell DMV you bought the bike for.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 12:24:23 AM » |
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It's called PNO or Planned Non Operation. They have to pay the PNO registration fee on time ever year (like $25 or so) and the bike cannot be on any public roads as a PNO. Your old friend should discount the bike accordingly (assuming you bought it) as those were his late and penalty fees that you just paid. And no, he wouldn't have had less fees. He would owe the same amount you paid less any title change fee.
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Rob Hilding
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 02:51:50 PM » |
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I have a vehicle on PNO and I get a statement every year from the DMV - it tells me if I haven't changed the staus then I need to do (and pay) nothing
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 04:54:58 PM » |
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I've got two bikes registered in California as 'planned non operation'.
There's no yearly fee until you want to register it for the street again.
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Rickrides
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 05:46:40 PM » |
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I've got two bikes registered in California as 'planned non operation'.
There's no yearly fee until you want to register it for the street again.
That's what the DMV's own site says. So, I'll go back and argue with them. May not do any good but I'll get some BS explanation at least. I probably should have had the "old friend" go and register it at my cost and get it off PNO status. Then sell it to me. Probably would have saved $500 or $600. He sold me the bike for $3000. Had I known I'd have to pay $800 to register I'd have negotiated a bit more. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 06:58:38 PM » |
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That's what the DMV's own site says. So, I'll go back and argue with them. May not do any good but I'll get some BS explanation at least.
I probably should have had the "old friend" go and register it at my cost and get it off PNO status. Then sell it to me. Probably would have saved $500 or $600. He sold me the bike for $3000. Had I known I'd have to pay $800 to register I'd have negotiated a bit more.
I would not have paid the 800 no matter what. Should have walked out there and done more research on workarounds. Now that you've paid them there's no chance in hell you're going to get it back. Well not without lawyer intervention which might as well be money down the toilet. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 09:10:33 PM » |
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I have a vehicle on PNO and I get a statement every year from the DMV - it tells me if I haven't changed the staus then I need to do (and pay) nothing
That's cool. And makes sense. |
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 11:09:05 AM » |
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That's what the DMV's own site says. So, I'll go back and argue with them. May not do any good but I'll get some BS explanation at least.
I probably should have had the "old friend" go and register it at my cost and get it off PNO status. Then sell it to me. Probably would have saved $500 or $600. He sold me the bike for $3000. Had I known I'd have to pay $800 to register I'd have negotiated a bit more.
I can't tell you from 1st hand experience what happens when a bike on PNO Is sold. It sounds like that's the source of the problem. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 02:29:19 PM » |
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Methinks the PO had the bike on UPNO.
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Rickrides
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 08:14:51 PM » |
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Well not without lawyer intervention which might as well be money down the toilet. The beauty of that is that I am a lawyer! We'll see if it helps. I should have researched the non op issue before I went the first time as prying money out of the DMV will not be easy. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2013, 06:09:16 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 08:26:12 AM » |
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This is a hoot... a lawyer who thinks the DMV is a ripoff  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 03:48:03 PM » |
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He should have just went to AAA. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 05:15:21 PM » |
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AAA is the best! At least here in CA I haven't been to the DMV for many years - in fact it was over 10 years ago, when I rode the circle of death to get my MC classification I hope I never have to darken their door again  |
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