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watch this fool swap a '96 900ss engine into an '01 M750

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ducpainter

#60
May 16, 2013, 05:16:14 AM
Quote from: GRUBBY on May 16, 2013, 05:07:56 AM
Won't use all-thread but bought something for a Ducati at Lowes ?

Grade 8 bolts, all-thread, nuts, whatever, is way better than the grade 5 stuff the factory put out. It has higher tensile strength, which means it's way stronger.
Grade 8 is not always the best choice even though it's stronger.

If grade 5 didn't work there would be Duc motors laying on the ground everywhere. ;D
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Rudemouthsky

#61
May 16, 2013, 06:08:24 AM Last Edit: May 16, 2013, 06:42:20 AM by Buck Naked
Quote from: GRUBBY on May 16, 2013, 05:07:56 AM
Won't use all-thread but bought something for a Ducati at Lowes ?

Grade 8 bolts, all-thread, nuts, whatever, is way better than the grade 5 stuff the factory put out. It has higher tensile strength, which means it's way stronger.

I still would have had to fill the gap in the frame *somehow*. Do you have a better idea? I used Ducati engine mounting bolts to mount my engine. They cost $10 and they were made to mount a Ducati engine. Please explain why that's so obtuse of me. And is there something wrong with the grade 8 all-thread Lowes sells? If I'd used it, I'd be using; "something from Lowes on my Ducati", no?

I would really like to know why these spacers are a horrible idea, and I'll pull them out and find a machine shop. They're probably not high grade steel but they tapped into the 12mm hole on the bikes frame, and the mounting bolt fills the inside diameter perfectly. So what I effectively have is a steel rod at whatever grade Ducati uses with around 2mm of the grade 2 or whatever it is "sandwiched" around it. I pretty much said at the beginning of this thread that my hands are about as useful as limp dicks when it comes to turning wrenches. The only time I deferred from any of your suggestions was the all thread, and that's only because I don't think Ducati engineers are stupid either.



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Monsterlover

#62
May 16, 2013, 06:42:09 AM
The all thread at Lowes probably isn't grade 8. You generally have to go to a fastener house for something specific like that. I don't think their stuff is even grade 5. I can't remember what the next step down from 5 is. 3 maybe? 

In any case, it still would have worked ;)
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ducatiz

#63
May 16, 2013, 07:22:58 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 16, 2013, 06:42:09 AM
The all thread at Lowes probably isn't grade 8. You generally have to go to a fastener house for something specific like that. I don't think their stuff is even grade 5. I can't remember what the next step down from 5 is. 3 maybe? 

In any case, it still would have worked ;)

Grade 5 is SAE.

Metric designation are grades 5.8, 8.8, 10.9, 12.9 etc

Grade 5 SAE is equivalent to Grade 8.8 metric.

Unless you guys are trying to say metric grade 5.8 which would not be used anywhere on a Ducati.  Even on the 80s bikes, they used 8.8 on the cosmetic bits and 10.9 on the structural stuff.

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Monsterlover

#64
May 16, 2013, 07:25:14 AM
I was talking about some 3/8-16 all thread, sae
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ducatiz

#65
May 16, 2013, 07:40:12 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 16, 2013, 07:25:14 AM
I was talking about some 3/8-16 all thread, sae

aha..
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MotoPsycho

#66
May 16, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 16, 2013, 06:08:24 AM
I still would have had to fill the gap in the frame *somehow*. Do you have a better idea? I used Ducati engine mounting bolts to mount my engine. They cost $10 and they were made to mount a Ducati engine. Please explain why that's so obtuse of me. And is there something wrong with the grade 8 all-thread Lowes sells? If I'd used it, I'd be using; "something from Lowes on my Ducati", no?

I would really like to know why these spacers are a horrible idea, and I'll pull them out and find a machine shop. They're probably not high grade steel but they tapped into the 12mm hole on the bikes frame, and the mounting bolt fills the inside diameter perfectly. So what I effectively have is a steel rod at whatever grade Ducati uses with around 2mm of the grade 2 or whatever it is "sandwiched" around it. I pretty much said at the beginning of this thread that my hands are about as useful as limp dicks when it comes to turning wrenches. The only time I deferred from any of your suggestions was the all thread, and that's only because I don't think Ducati engineers are stupid either.
Point taken, my bad.

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zooom

#67
May 16, 2013, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: GRUBBY on May 16, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
Point taken, my bad.

My first instinct is to use strongest possible on most critical.

EXCEPT when an engineer has purposely allowed for certain flexibility in specific situations.
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Rudemouthsky

#68
May 16, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
Should anyone be doing this swap in the future and happen upon this thread:

- Consider buying a different bike instead

- Source an M900 engine instead of an SS to avoid fitment annoyances that require scavenging of your old engine

- If you need 10mm bolts to swap an older engine into a newer frame, you must buy 2 sets to get the 2 10"(+/-) bolts you need. Or just use the threaded rods these guys swear by.

- Don't get clever like me and think your old intake manifolds and slave cylinder are going to; "work just fine." Or squirt gas into the carbs and proceed to crank the engine with the ignition wires crossed, while standing by the open headers because you're that anxious to hear your new engine run. Unless you wanna crap your pants.

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Ddan

#69
May 16, 2013, 05:35:50 PM
It sounds like you've got things going just about right    ;D  [thumbsup]
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#70
May 16, 2013, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 16, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
Should anyone be doing this swap in the future and happen upon this thread:

- Consider buying a different bike instead

- Source an M900 engine instead of an SS to avoid fitment annoyances that require scavenging of your old engine

- If you need 10mm bolts to swap an older engine into a newer frame, you must buy 2 sets to get the 2 10"(+/-) bolts you need. Or just use the threaded rods these guys swear by.

- Don't get clever like me and think your old intake manifolds and slave cylinder are going to; "work just fine." Or squirt gas into the carbs and proceed to crank the engine with the ignition wires crossed, while standing by the open headers because you're that anxious to hear your new engine run. Unless you wanna crap your pants.



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Rudemouthsky

#71
May 16, 2013, 07:19:17 PM
chug-chug-chug-chug-BOOM!!!!

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Monsterlover

#72
May 16, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
So its toast?
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Rudemouthsky

#73
May 16, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 16, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
So its toast?

Haha, hell no. If it was toast after all that work and $ I'd blow my brains out. I had the ignition wires crossed when I tried to start it, and my nuts were a foot from an open header when it backfired. Everything's fine. And I didn't crap my pants...
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ducatiz

#74
May 16, 2013, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 16, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
Haha, hell no. If it was toast after all that work and $ I'd blow my brains out. I had the ignition wires crossed when I tried to start it, and my nuts were a foot from an open header when it backfired. Everything's fine. And I didn't crap my pants...

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