How weak is side stand on new gen monsters?

Started by kokis, August 01, 2013, 06:00:48 PM

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kokis

I heard that you should not sit on the bike or should not turn around bike manually while it's on side stand, that it will break very weak engine base and damage it etc.
Is that true? Were there any reports that side stand brakes under rider (<200lbs) or something????

I see a lot of people sit on their jap bikes and make a lot of pressure to stands and nothing bad happens and me standing next to bike afraid to brake the stand.
I am not pro in tech questions, but as any rider have some experience that I can share without claiming to absolute truth. Please use my advices responsibly.

Raux

I think the new engine cases on all the bikes are made with a different process making them lighter, not sure if that makes then less strong.
but I would never sit on a ducati bike on it's sidestand and I weigh 165
just no reason to tempt fate. I've seen what it does to a case when it breaks there (shippers put a guys bike on the sidestand in a crate)

the jap bikes and Harley's sidestands are attached the frame IIRC not the motor

ducpainter

I spin my old bike on the stand.

I know a tech that broke the cases on an 848 doing the same.

Ducati made the cases thinner to save weight on the new gen bikes.

Don't know if sitting on the bike will do any harm.
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kokis

Well, thanks guys for quick and informative response.
I am not pro in tech questions, but as any rider have some experience that I can share without claiming to absolute truth. Please use my advices responsibly.

Skybarney

I spun my bike on the side stand the other day.  Now I am scared too.  [bang]
Two things I don't do.  Keyboard bullies and hypocrites.
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MidnightRambler

Shipper is picking up my bike today or tomorrow.  Definitely asking if he can transport w/out the kickstand down now...

kokis

Checked around 10 jap bikes these day, and all side stands mounts to frame.
I am not pro in tech questions, but as any rider have some experience that I can share without claiming to absolute truth. Please use my advices responsibly.

SpikeC

 When my 09 was knocked over the case was cracked, when the tow truck driver cinched down the straps he finished the job. Never tie one of these bikes down on the stand!
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Howie

You can safely spin a Ducati on the side stand if you keep the majority of the weight off the stand.

ducpainter

Quote from: howie on August 03, 2013, 04:48:47 PM
You can safely spin a Ducati on the side stand if you keep the majority of the weight off the stand.
I don't think that still applies fellow dinosaur. ;D
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Howie

Quote from: ducpainter on August 03, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
I don't think that still applies fellow dinosaur. ;D

I would hope the better casting process would make up for the thinner castings on the new engines, but better to err on the side of caution.  Listen to the other dinosaur ;D

Speeddog

AFAIK
The new casting process allows thinner sections, and less porosity.
So lighter parts and lower manufacturing cost.

But I'll look for more specific info.

Dunno where I saw it, but I recall a pic that showed the new cases on the inside, just has lumps for the threaded holes, no reinforcing ribs tho.
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scooterd145

I have 30,000 plus miles on my 09 M1100s and where I park I can only get out by spinning on the side stand. I have had no issues so far, but will keep an eye on it. I have not heard personally of issues of this.

FWIW I kind of lift the front by grabbing just behind the seat and leaning towards myself and kind of drag the rear around (if that made any sense at all). I dont "balance" the bike in the air on the side stand I guess you could say.

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