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WestonWith2
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« on: July 06, 2008, 06:11:44 PM »

I've been looking around the forum and have found a few ideas on aftermarket exhaust but I have a few questions that I can't find the answers to.

First of all... what exactly does "cored" exhaust mean? Eventually I will most likely put some aftermarket cans on like Leo Vince or termis, but until then I've thought of customizing the ones I've got. I really like the deep and slightly louder sound the aftermarkets put out compared to the stock and was wondering if coring the original cans give this sound. I read the article on chopping and coring the exhaust but don't understand the part where it actually changes the sound. Also, if I want to change the color from the silver of the stock cans to a darker color, what kind of paint should I use? I assume the paint has to withstand a lot of heat. Besides painting, I did see a mod where someone used "header wrap" around their pipes... pretty sweet look - if anyone knows the details on how to do that I'd appreciate it.

Is there anything I need to be concerned about when it comes to how these mods would affect reliability of performance? Would I get any kind of backfiring or hesitation from the engine?

Thanks in advance.

Weston
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 08:07:45 AM »

The exhaust have packing material that reduces noise so removing that material is coring (if I am not mistaken).  You should take your bike in to have the fuel/air adjusted if you get popping or anything.  As far as paint goes the only method I know of "painting" exhaust is ceramic coating because anything else would melt at high temperatures.  There is a company by the name of jet hot that does that.  You just send in your exhaust they "paint" it and ship it back to you.  I believe by "header wrap" you mean exhaust tape and as far as that goes there is a chemical that you spray on it after you wrap it.  I think motowheels sells it.   Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 08:54:14 AM »

Pretty much all of the aftermarket pipes use a straight-through design with packing material around the outside. Some also have baffles.

The stock mufflers do not use packing material. They use a chamber system to damp the sound. There was a pretty good writeup of how to core them on  TOB. Not sure if its migrated over yet.

There are a couple of different methods to core an exhaust. Which you use will depend on what type of bike you have (single- or dual-sided swingarm?) and how much work you feel like putting in.

The easiest is to just use a drill. Stick the drill bit in the outlet and bore through the first metal wall you run into. Repeat until you get the sound you want. This effectively eliminates the 3rd chamber from the exhaust flow.

Shortening them is also an option, but its significantly more involved.

As for painting, the stock cans have an aluminum sleeve that can be painted very easily. Hi-temp rattle-can (which typically contains ceramic compounds) from any automotive store will do the job nicely. To remove the sleeve, remove the can from the bike, grip it firmly, and bring the end of the pipe down onto a piece of wood with a piece of cloth on it. It may take some persuasion, but it'll come off. Reverse the process to re-install.

MotoWheels does indeed sell header wrap. Band clamps or safety wire work equally well for securing the ends. The best part of exhaust wrap is watching your bike steam like its evil when you start it after a rain.  Evil

Finally, if you're on a carbed bike, you'll need to replace/tune your jets to make up for the increased airflow. If fuel injected, you may experience a decrease in torque at lower RPM along with some popping on decel. The fuelie bikes run almost ridiculously lean in order to meet emissions standards and opening up the exhaust doesn't do anything to help that situation. If you want to, you can add a Power Commander to richen up the a/f mix. Otherwise, just know that a lean situation does exist and watch your oil temp on hot days.

Oh, and welcome to the board!
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 04:13:15 PM »

Thanks everyone!

Yeah, I'm a bit reluctant if it might change the performance of the bike for the worse. I'm thinking now of just doing the exhaust wrap. I picked some up today at an auto store along with some of that spray on sealer to go over it.

Also thanks for the welcome.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 11:55:12 AM »

Well, I took the stock cans off and tried the chop and core method that was posted on this forum. Unfortunately I couldn't get the outer sleeve to slide back to access the welds on the cap. So I gave up on butchering the exhaust for now... I did put on the exhaust wrap and IMO it looks pretty good.

I'll post pictures of it when I get a chance.

Now I'm thinking of still modifying the cans (either drilling holes like was suggested or taking a dremel to inner tube as far back as I can and removing what I can cut). I am concerned about the lean condition though if I do it. I already get a bit of popping every now and then already. I imagine if I increase the airflow it'll do it a lot more.

I guess I'll look into the power commander for my bike as well.

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 12:49:13 PM »

It will increase the lean condition a little bit, but if you leave your airbox lid alone you should be fine. It'll get rid of the air faster, but its not going to be taking in a whole lot more.

I don't know if you saw it, but this might be helpful.

Apparently I was wrong about being able to get the sleeve all the way off. My apologies.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 05:18:35 PM »

Thanks for the link back... yeah, that was the thread that I had read. A great explanation on how to, but I didn't get very far because my outer sleave wouldn't move a bit. I get frustrated pretty easy when it comes to this stuff and could see myself trashing the cans if I'd kept up with my no-progress.

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 05:34:27 PM »

Where are you at? If you're near any major metropolitan area, I'm sure there's someone nearby who could help.

Also, check your local board section. A lot of groups host "tech days" while the weather is nice. Nothing like first-hand experience.  waytogo
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 07:37:12 PM »

I took off my cans and run little snotty stubs coming out of the bladder.Sounds good, no ill effects on motor.I checked my plugs and they are a lovely color!No hiccups, coughs, backfires or splutters.Bike looks better weighs less.And it was a free mod!
To make the snotty stubbies I just used the stock s pipes, twisted them around to where they looked good and then cut them both off while bolted to the bladder.Free mods are great! waytogo
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 08:51:01 PM »

Free mods are great!

But the sound of a quality tuned exhaust is just music to my ears!
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 09:11:10 AM »

Where are you at? If you're near any major metropolitan area, I'm sure there's someone nearby who could help.

Also, check your local board section. A lot of groups host "tech days" while the weather is nice. Nothing like first-hand experience.  waytogo


I live in Hillsborough, NC... basically about a half an hour from Raleigh.

Thanks for the heads up with that. Maybe once I get comfortable with the forum, ect. then I'll look into that.

Anyway, I'm thinking against the chop, but have done a bit of mangling on the inside tube with a dremel and chisel. Basically the inner tube has a bit more airflow then it used to  laughingdp

I do have more questions on the air/fuel mixture issue though... and have started a new thread on that.

Thanks
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