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ducatiz

August 30, 2013, 10:44:47 AM
Same engine and EFI on the SS as on the Monster?

What were/are the issues with this generation of EFI?
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Speeddog

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August 30, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on August 30, 2013, 10:44:47 AM
Same engine and EFI on the SS as on the Monster?

What were/are the issues with this generation of EFI?

I've not heard of any issues with the 1.5M.

From Brad's info, the SS use different injectors than the Monsters, so I'd expect the ECU's to not be interchangeable.

Trim is adjusted electronically, like the 5.9M.

I'd expect if there's an issue, Brad's seen it or heard of it.
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ducatiz

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August 30, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on August 30, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
I've not heard of any issues with the 1.5M.

From Brad's info, the SS use different injectors than the Monsters, so I'd expect the ECU's to not be interchangeable.

different as in better??
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Speeddog

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August 30, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on August 30, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
different as in better??

Different color and physical construction, doubt that there's much "better" about either one.
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I've had two M900ie with the 1.5M that exhibited erratic idle; whack the throttle and it would hang at 3k or so, or come back down really slow, like the carbie engines will when they're really lean at idle or balance is off a mile.
Very careful mechanical adjust of sync and idle speed could get them OK for *very* short periods of time.
Adjustment of the trim fixed that permanently.
One bike had the DP ECU, not sure if the other did.
But that's really just tuning, not what I'd consider an 'issue'.

Perhaps they have the simple 2-D ignition advance like the carbie ignitions.
I don't recall any 5.9M bikes having the hanging idle.
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2001cromo

#4
August 30, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
Izaak,
Next time you're in town, try mine... It's cold blooded, but once it's fully warmed up, it WORKS.  8)

Speeddog's right about the ECU's-
In terms of the ECU's, the SS and the M's are NOT interchangable. I learned this the hard way. Plugs are the same, but the pin outs are slightly different. Dont' remember what it did/didn't do, but I know it wasn't happy with the wrong ECU.

ducatiz

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August 30, 2013, 07:15:22 PM
I think I'm going to drop a 900ssie into my 95 900ss.  Done with carbs.
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2001cromo

#6
August 30, 2013, 07:36:03 PM
Get as much of the IE as you can... (I believe 99 to 01 are the years you're looking for)

motor
TB's
ECU
wiring (best to make your own, but can probably get away with using the stock one for the most part)
controls
guages (although you can use any you want since there's no bozomobilizer)
Don't know if the fuel pump from the IE will plug into the bottom of the carb tank?
Also check where the R/R is placed on both

I did this with Michelle's when we removed the 02 wiring/ECU and put in 01 bits.

lemme know if I can help?

ducatiz

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August 30, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Got a line on a whole bike!... a 00 with 4k miles
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2001cromo

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August 31, 2013, 04:34:33 AM
In case you don't have it, here's the manual.




HTH

koko64

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September 14, 2013, 06:03:20 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on August 30, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Got a line on a whole bike!... a 00 with 4k miles

You get it? An S model would be good. Extra carbon and Ohlins shock.
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ducatiz

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September 14, 2013, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: koko64 on September 14, 2013, 06:03:20 AM
You get it? An S model would be good. Extra carbon and Ohlins shock.

Picking it up monday.  Turns out it is a Japanese market model, imported by a navy guy.  Has a 17 digit vin but bad check digit.  Got all the paperwork.  Runs well.  Not much guilt with tearing it down.

Cost me 2000.  Has 12000 miles and is perfect besides the tank leak.
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koko64

#11
September 14, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Thats a $6000-$7000 bike down here.
So whats your plan, stock engine or 944 with mbp heads?  ;D
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ducatiz

#12
September 14, 2013, 07:22:07 PM
I already have the 944 kit.

Prob just some headwork to clean up the ports if the valves are good.

I really want to work the crank over but then its another ballgame...

The 99+ ss bikes don't win high prices here.   Sellers try but they are just not loved.
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Duck-Stew

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September 15, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
You may need to modify a frame crossmember to clear the horizontal thottle body...
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ducatiz

#14
September 15, 2013, 08:49:53 PM
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 15, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
You may need to modify a frame crossmember to clear the horizontal thottle body...

Define this "may" word that you are using...
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